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Old 25-09-2005, 12:03   #1
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Transparent Proxy Question...

Ive been using the search feature and google now for a while but found nothing specific. I have a friend in the usa who is using rapidshare.de to upload pictures and small videos for the peeps hes knows here in sunny england to see. Im told the site is working fine except for yours truely. Haviing read the FAQ on the website and bits around this forum, I am putting my problem down to NTL's Transparent Proxy ? The IP rapidshare shows and my IP do differ so I hope I am right in saying the proxy is the problem.

Which brings me onto my question, is there anyway I can bypass this Transparent proxy ? I am using Firefox and managed to figure out how to change proxy's, but alas rapidshare shows different IP's to my correct one so I am assuming the proxys I have tried are all NTL transparent ones.

For anyone wondering, an example of the error message would be the following.

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This is not my IP but I think Im right saying this is NTL's Transparent proxy. ? I am just looking for a way to connect directly to the net.

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Old 25-09-2005, 12:19   #2
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

Write to rapidshare and ask them to write their IP detection code properly to see through the proxy.

Specify specific proxys and find one that has not been visiting the site.
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Old 25-09-2005, 12:40   #3
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

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This is not my IP but I think Im right saying this is NTL's Transparent proxy. ?
Correct, that is the proxy ip (Birmingham Number 8 in this case).

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Which brings me onto my question, is there anyway I can bypass this Transparent proxy ?
No, not on port 80 (standard http) - you could try using https as that is not routed via the proxy servers, or ask them if they provide http on a port other than 80.
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

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Write to rapidshare and ask them to write their IP detection code properly to see through the proxy.

Specify specific proxys and find one that has not been visiting the site.
Yeah I tried a few listed HERE with not much luck. Ah well, I was hoping there was a way I could bypass the transaprent stuff completley. I remember seeing a thread around here about making your own proxy ? Would that help ?
 
Old 25-09-2005, 13:39   #5
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

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Write to rapidshare and ask them to write their IP detection code properly to see through the proxy.

Specify specific proxys and find one that has not been visiting the site.
Yes, ask them to record the following variables.

http_x_forwarded_for

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http_client_ip

Either of those will show the client IP from the ntl network. Very easy to implament in both Apache and Windows nased web servers.
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

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Yeah I tried a few listed HERE with not much luck. Ah well, I was hoping there was a way I could bypass the transaprent stuff completley. I remember seeing a thread around here about making your own proxy ? Would that help ?
There is nothing you can do other than wasting your time trying lots of different proxies in the hope that some work, some usually do eventually.
Raise a responsetek form and tell NTL.
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

there is a program called mega proxy which basical switches proxy servers every 10 mins for new conenctions something along these lines whuold help you work around the problem althrugh a more perminent solution whould be to fidn a good https based proxy server
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

Ethical questions aside, what's to stop you specifying a non-NTL proxy?
There are plenty of open public ones around to find and use. Including some operated by BT and Tiscali.

Infact some browsers allow you to switch proxies at the click of a button.
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

I'd be interested in some public BT or Tiscali proxies please.

Do you have a url or list ?

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Ethical questions aside, what's to stop you specifying a non-NTL proxy?
Your saying that as if it was naughty. Personally I dont know if it is - is that something not covered by NTL ?
 
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

Most proxies are unintentionally left open, so you may be piggybacking on a DSL or Cable connection somewhere, which would also generally mean it would be slow as your speed would be limited to the persons upload - also it is stealing their bandwidth and is not generally a good idea.

Thats why I asked for a url or list, I'd be interested in some legitimate public proxies if they are available, but I've never seen any that were meant to be open.
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There is nothing you can do other than wasting your time trying lots of different proxies in the hope that some work, some usually do eventually.
Raise a responsetek form and tell NTL.
Why?, ntl broadcast the public IP using either of the two variables I have just listed....if the remote network can't be configured to deal with various transport methods, why contact ntl when they have done nothing wrong??

An example to prove my point, http://www.whatsmyip.org/
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

You can use something like Jap with no legal or ethical worries as their proxies are provided as a public service.
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Re: Transparent Proxy Question...

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Why?, ntl broadcast the public IP using either of the two variables I have just listed....if the remote network can't be configured to deal with various transport methods, why contact ntl when they have done nothing wrong??
Because I've been told that if NTL are not aware of the many proxy related problems/faults/oddities then they cannot fix them - I'm aware that NTL cannot fix this one themselves, but if enough people make them aware of it then they can perhaps put some pressure on Rapidshare (many have tried emailing rapidshare about proxies - they just answer that you need a pay account - fair enough, but other ISP's that don't use proxies can get the stuff for free)

Its just another example of NTL's proxies causing problems that wouldn't affect about 98% of other ISPs' in the same way.

It shouldn't be up to individual users to have to contact site owners to change their coding, virtually every other ISP works fine with Rapidshare, because they don't use proxies.
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