"Bloke in the Pub" says "Stick with ntl"

[cookie_365]

I can now exclusively reveal that:

1 Mbs will be upgraded to surprisingly fast
2 Mbs will be upgraded to amazingly fast
3 Mbs will be upgraded to astoundingly fast

The upload rates will be:

surprisingly fast: many many many bits per second
amazingly fast: lots and lots of bits per second
astoundingly fast: loads and loads of bits per second

And the cap will be:

surprisingly fast: lots of stuff
amazingly fast: heaps of stuff
astoundingly fast: loads of stuff

Prices of these amazing services to TBA

[Graham M]

Most webhosts have at least 1 155MBit connection if theyre anything to speak of, thats 4 users downloading at full pelt to max that line out

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by Zeph

Most webhosts have at least 1 155MBit connection if theyre anything to speak of, thats 4 users downloading at full pelt to max that line out

If its your typical webserver it will either be on a 10mbit port or a 100mbit port.

[Graham M]

Yeah true, i was talking about the backbone however, if that couldnt handle it, how could the server's NIC port.

[handyman]

Originally Posted by Zeph

Most webhosts have at least 1 155MBit connection if theyre anything to speak of, thats 4 users downloading at full pelt to max that line out

Not really because if its serving webpages then it will serve the page in a nano second then the user will view the page for a minute or so allowing many other connections to be made.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

True. Each connection on the internet is like a chain, and, like a chain, is only as strong (or fast in this case) as the weakest (or slowest) link.

Very noticeable from my new employer where I've had as quick as 7.7MB/s but most struggle to give over 1.1MB/s (10Mbit), bit of a contrast btw to ntl where I had a phat 10Mbit half-duplex desktop connection and was warned along with the rest of company not to abuse the massive bandwidth *cough* the office had, elite eh?

Proxy hit rate is only going to be 20 - 30% and if not a proxy hit they'll have to download it and will be as subject to off-network issues as a direct connection.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Ignition

Very noticeable from my new employer where I've had as quick as 7.7MB/s but most struggle to give over 1.1MB/s (10Mbit), bit of a contrast btw to ntl where I had a phat 10Mbit half-duplex desktop connection and was warned along with the rest of company not to abuse the massive bandwidth *cough* the office had, elite eh?

Proxy hit rate is only going to be 20 - 30% and if not a proxy hit they'll have to download it and will be as subject to off-network issues as a direct connection.

Who would your new employer be ?

[JeLLyMaN]

Originally Posted by Paul M

What you (and the people going on about the caps and "you will use it in 5 minutes") keep forgetting, or overlooking, is that it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if you have a 10M/25M/50M or a 1GB connection - downloads will only be as fast as the overall connection speed. If the far end server is on a 2MB connection then that's all you will get (and then only if you are the only person downloading).

In fact, the one time this won't be true is if the file already resides on the ntl proxy you have been routed through - then it will serve you up the file from its cache, and since it's on the ntl network, you should get it much faster (score 1 for the proxies )

If where your downloading from have a half decent upload(which all good servers have) it should be easily achiveable to download at ~1.2mb/s(10mbit).

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by jtwn

Haha, gotta love the BitP

But, holy ****, 25mb and 50mb is ridiculous and amazing at the same time. How one would deliver it over existing infrastructure beats my knowledge but you are giving the idea that this looks to be for residential customers? I am amazed...

The main bits of the infrastructure are already in place. That is the bits that would take the longest time to install. Some expensive extra kit would be required as well as new customer modems.

Originally Posted by ian@huth

The main bits of the infrastructure are already in place. That is the bits that would take the longest time to install. Some expensive extra kit would be required as well as new customer modems.

Trust me "this is not COMING SOON". A lot of extra kit would be required before this could be done. I have not heard one peep about this untill the other day when there was a new Public House & Other Forum fiction section added to this thread. .

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Paul M

What you (and the people going on about the caps and "you will use it in 5 minutes") keep forgetting, or overlooking, is that it doesn't make a blind bit of difference if you have a 10M/25M/50M or a 1GB connection - downloads will only be as fast as the overall connection speed. If the far end server is on a 2MB connection then that's all you will get (and then only if you are the only person downloading).

In fact, the one time this won't be true is if the file already resides on the ntl proxy you have been routed through - then it will serve you up the file from its cache, and since it's on the ntl network, you should get it much faster (score 1 for the proxies )

I think that you have to look at what speeds like 50 mbps would be used for. It won't be for browsing websites, email or downloading warez.

We will shortly be moving to High Definition TV and the only company that has showed its hand is Sky with a HDTV service expected to start in the first half of 2006. How will the cablocos compete with that?

Bandwidth for DTV is said to be limited on cable particularly with Analogue channels still being broadcast. They could stop analogue transmission well ahead of the 2012 expected cut-off moving existing analogue customers to digital. Sky did this some years back and haven't suffered as a result.

NTL could use a 25 or 50 mbps broadband service for transmission of HDTV content. They could introduce a new HD STB that caters for these HD transmissions by connection to your HDTV as well as providing broadband internet access. This would have to cater for standard TV transmissions as well as HD for many years until HD is the standard. It would also have to have PVR capabilities and multiple tuners in order to be playing on the same field as Sky+ HDTV.

Technology exists to do things this way, the question being does the cash?

[migz]

Originally Posted by Bill C

Trust me "this is not COMING SOON". A lot of extra kit would be required before this could be done. I have not heard one peep about this untill the other day when there was a new Public House & Other Forum fiction section added to this thread. .

NTL have been upgrading the network constantly over the last year or so to put these things in place and be able to cope with it, 2007 is quite far away in technology terms, by which time the UK will be still lagging behind whilst places like Hong Kong have local 1gbps and Australia getting 50mbps in the next year

Even the US and other places already have 100mb+ lines, mostly over inferior infrastructure to NTL

What would be cool is if NTL invested in sticking Ethernet Routers in the green boxes and kick all other broadband providers in the ass!

[handyman]

Why stick routers in place its ethernet over coax at the moment anyway?

And as for australia they will be well fast for domestic connections and internal p2p but they will have naff all speed on international traffic as australia has poor peering connections due its location.

[migz]

This is true, you should try requesting a .co.uk page from there, it takes a good 0-15 seconds to get a response.

Coaxial ethernet has limits on speed, if you reaad about hong kongs internal infrastructure they installed cisco routers in buildings and boxes so everyhome will have internal 1gbps access both ways.

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by handyman

Why stick routers in place its ethernet over coax at the moment anyway?

No it's not dude.
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There are two ways this can be done, one is through ethernet over coax which will require installation of new equipment throughout the country's access networks and will make the mass of newly installed uBRs redundant.

The other way is to use ADSL2+ line bonded or VDSL, again requiring extensive installation of new access layer equipment and making the existing DOCSIS (not ethernet over coax) infrastructure redundant.

The technology mentioned in the press releases as being potentially able to deliver 25 - 50Mbit is DOCSIS 3, which is at the moment not ratified, and will require the changing out of EVERY MODEM ON THE NETWORK. This is NOT a technology ready for deployment at this time.

So enough, there's nothing even on the drawing board about 25Mbit services yet, man in pub regurgitating what was said in a press release as being potential new products and giving it an entirely unrealistic timescale.