allofmp3.com

idi banashapan · 03-09-2005, 20:51

so... is this site legal to download from if you live in the UK? Their T&C says it depends on your countries stance on copyright laws, but I'm having trouble finding anything that can give me a definate 'YES' or 'NO'. Does anyone know what the deal is here???

Roy MM · 03-09-2005, 20:56

winmx, kazzalite..........take it or leave it, or go to news groups.

idi banashapan · 03-09-2005, 20:57

yeah, but would really prefer to stay on the legal side of things.

Roy MM · 03-09-2005, 20:59

itunes, napster..... loads , if you want to pay for downloads.

Not that i do.

or don't

idi banashapan · 03-09-2005, 21:00

but have you seen the price of the music on allofmp3.com??? it would be rude not to...

03-09-2005, 21:09

From their website........

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All the materials in the MediaServices projects are available for distribution through Internet according to license # LS-3М-05-03 of the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society. Under the license terms, MediaServices pays license fees for all the materials subject to the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights". All the materials are available solely for personal use and must not be used for further distribution, resale or broadcasting.

So one would have to assume it is legal

Roy MM · 03-09-2005, 21:10

My take on all p2P sharing, if i lend you my CD of a certain artist, you go home and make a copy to tape or other media it's illegal but undetectable, now online it can be detected, (invasion of privacy) BB is watching you.

03-09-2005, 21:15

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Originally Posted by Roy MM

My take on all p2P sharing, if i lend you my CD of a certain artist, you go home and make a copy to tape or other media it's illegal but undetectable, now online it can be detected, (invasion of privacy) BB is watching you.

This isn't P2P though Roy, have a butchers..
http://www.allofmp3.com/index2.shtml...3&r=1991514626

Roy MM · 03-09-2005, 21:25

This Russian site has been in the spotlight for some time, it's still illegal in the eyes of the record companies as far has i'm aware.

deadite66 · 03-09-2005, 21:27

any site that isnt robbing enough money from it's clients is illegal in the eyes of music industry muppets.

03-09-2005, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Roy MM

This Russian site has been in the spotlight for some time, it's still illegal in the eyes of the record companies as far has i'm aware.

But until "Joe Public" is made aware, I am not sure there is much the record companies can do apart from trying to get the site shut down, consumers will be safe until such time as that happens.

I seem to remember a while back that allofmp3 were accepting uploads from users, and your account was credited in some way, that element of the site now seems to have disappeared, maybe they have cleaned up their act a little bit, or maybe it is still there, but I can't find it.
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I have just searched for this site on "The Register", make up your own mind.............

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...3-com_let_off/

idi banashapan · 03-09-2005, 23:26

i saw a couple of bits on theregister about them (allofmp3), but again, they harp on about the russian law. this is all well and good, but would I be breaking the law I am bound to in the UK if I downloaded something from that site, even though I would have paid first? it seems so grey and i can't find anywhere that can tell me one way or the other if I able to download from there without repercussions..

andygrif · 03-09-2005, 23:51

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Originally Posted by yesman

So one would have to assume it is legal

Well you know what they say about assumption?

Whilst it may be perfectly legal for AllofMP3 to operate in Russia, there is no provision under either UK nor Russian copyright rules that permit its use here.

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Originally Posted by Bender

i saw a couple of bits on theregister about them (allofmp3), but again, they harp on about the russian law. this is all well and good, but would I be breaking the law I am bound to in the UK if I downloaded something from that site, even though I would have paid first? it seems so grey and i can't find anywhere that can tell me one way or the other if I able to download from there without repercussions..

Technically you would be in breach of copyright by electronically importing a product that is under copyright anywhere else in the EU.

In addition both you and allofmp3 are technically in breach of EU sales tax rules on applying VAT to all electronic downloads as the end user's rate, irrespective of the whereabouts of the originating file, even if outside of the EU.

Allofmp3 are operating on a loophole in rather flaky Russian copyright laws. Under this loophole they are permitted to offer downloads, but it's not that simple, as they also need to gain permission from the other rights body in Russia, which has basically fallen out with the first body - so no-one is talking to anyone else - but technically they are operating outside of part of the Russian rules (as I understand it).

Finally, I believe, there is a moral issue. Allofmp3 are NOT paying eveyone involved in the song you can download. Whilst that might be unnoticable to some supergroup, if you're a struggling songwriter you need those royalties to eat and pay the rent. You will not get a single penny as a result of someone downloading a song from allofmp3.

And before anyone quotes only the first eight words of the last paragraph in a feeble attempt to justify their illicit downloading of music, I've heard all the excuses before, and none of them wash with me.

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Originally Posted by deadite66

any site that isnt robbing enough money from it's clients is illegal in the eyes of music industry muppets.

It isn't as simple as that - as I am sure that you know.

However, saying all this...it's highly unlikely that anyone who does subscribe to this shady Russian operation will get the BPI knock at the door. The only possibility would be that the rules change in Russia (they're trying to do that now) and that Allofmp3 has it's kit confisacted and the credit card numbers of subscribers distributed to the UK authorities. Unlikely, but a distinct possibility.