*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion (Part 3)

[M35A2C]

Originally Posted by mcmanic

The 1meg service tier should be Hard Capped to stop people taking the **** and paying the lowest rate. Yeah i may have gone over but at least i'm paying highest available price.
sorry if that sounded harsh, wasn't meant to be but everyone moans about leechers and stuff yet people forget that most of these 24/7 leachers probably ain't on the top tier, cos mummy & daddy won't pay more

Er... I'm not taking the pi**, I just want to learn a bit about Linux and as a one off "large" download it will eat a chunk out of my normal useage. Maybe you people are all set on your own wavelengths so you can't read between the lines of these posts.
I was just wondering if something 'bad' would happen if I'm a few meg over my limit but seeing about how other people seem to be trying to fill out their hard drives instantaneously then I needn't really be worried should I.
(What on earth are they downloading? It really can only be porn can't it! )
I want to learn about Linux because this crap XP crashes out after a few hours so I can't leave the PC on overnight let alone 24/7 !!

By the way, "mummy & daddy won't pay more" er... actually I am a daddy!

[Stuart]

A one off download is unlikely to affect your cap. It's the people that are downloading 150 gig a month that will be affected.

[mcmanic]

Originally Posted by M35A2C

Er... I'm not taking the pi**, I just want to learn a bit about Linux and as a one off "large" download it will eat a chunk out of my normal useage. Maybe you people are all set on your own wavelengths so you can't read between the lines of these posts.

sorry, wasn't directly aimed at you! maybe you should read between the lines also!

But there IS plenty of 1meg users who do use their connection 24/7 when they shouldn't, these people are worse then the people who do it on the 3meg simply because they pay less to do so! and still get away with it,

i'm just trying to get across to whoever is reading these cap discussions threads and giving heavy downloaders a hard time that NOT all of us who download alot are uncaring about other people in how we actually use the service compared to those who do 24/7 download using P2P.

[AndrewJ]

I use my net alot, I spend alot of time online as its how me and my gf communicate with family, aswell as entertain ourselves with online games and hobbies.

Hence my internet is being used nearly 24hours a day.

[Radeon]

Nothing to do with NTL, but my Grandfather is on Tiscal Broadband and he just had this through email, wonder what NTL's next move will be, lower the price on broadband a bit while giving us 10mb

Its says Unlimited broadband with lower prices

Exciting news! As part of our commitment to ensure you're
getting the best deal we're cutting your monthly fee to just
£17.99 a month!

PLUS we're also removing your monthly download usage cap
so you can enjoy unlimited broadband access!

You don't need to do anything, we'll automatically remove your
usage cap in September and reduce your price to £17.99
in October.

If you prefer, you can upgrade to one of our great value bundle packages, simply login to My Account to view these new deals guaranteed to save you money.

Enjoy download speeds of up to 1Mb unlimited broadband and all your local
and national phone calls at any time for one LOW flat fee.


Enjoy blisteringly fast download speeds of up to 2Mb broadband and all
your local and national phone calls at any time for one LOW flat fee.

We are also changing our Fair Usage Policy to benefit all our customers. This will take effect from mid September and will be referred to in our Terms and Conditions. Find out more about our Fair Use Policy.

Kind regards,

The Tiscali Team

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by Radeon

Nothing to do with NTL, but my Grandfather is on Tiscal Broadband and he just had this through email, wonder what NTL's next move will be, lower the price on broadband a bit while giving us 10mb

Its says Unlimited broadband with lower prices

Also says this

What happens if you are affected by the Fair Usage Policy?

During peak hours, customers affected by the fair usage policy will share bandwidth with each other and will be separated from other customers. The amount of bandwidth available for affected customers to share, will be at least as much as for those customers unaffected by the policy.

The speed affected customers experience when downloading at peak hours will therefore depend on what these customers are doing. If they are all web-browsing and reading emails, they will experience normal broadband speed. If on the other hand they are using Peer to Peer or file sharing software they will experience slow broadband speed. Outside of peak hours, no restrictions will apply.

Which points to the hours between 6pm and 11pm being seriously throttled everyday for people who are seen to be using too much bandwidth.

Originally Posted by Paul

Also says this

Which points to the hours between 6pm and 11pm being seriously throttled everyday for people who are seen to be using too much bandwidth.

In other words "they give with one hand and take away with the other. " . And i bet that there will those here who put a spin on it to make it look like a fantastic offer and all should change to it

[Hans Gruber]

I wouldn't touch Tiscali if they offered 100mbit uncapped

[theNomad]

Saxodriverthats one of the things these "ohh you do more than 30gbs a month you should be ashammed of yourself" people fail to see as they dont have familys maybe it is possible to keep within a 1gb per day limit if your some loner who just uses it to find a mail order lady boy and book justin timberlake tickets,anyone like me with four kids and a partner who actively use the net too,will know its a painfully low cap we all know now-a-days with the amount of free audio-video streaming,skype,game/software demos,webcams and all the premium payper d/l services (ive just signed with an online net service that streams fox-sports nice way to get matches sky dont cover live) even ntl's got a pay-per use download thing now in its downloadplus service thats gonna gbs extra to add to the allready bulky netload (it claims d/l 10,000 music videos 1,000,000 music tracks and 100 games hehe yeah great idea NTL sell people the service of downloading content then get angry at 'em for doing so a month later) its so easy to go over 1gb per day legally.

So I think NTL's fair use policy isnt fair for family's.

Admin Edit (Stuart C): Post edited. See below.

[Stuart]

People, please keep the personal comments out of this.

[bbr81]

I received the letter everyone is one about on the 22nd August.

I downloaded 172 gig. I am surprised that it was this high, I played a lot of Xbox live!!
August will be under 30gig but i doubt september will, the month i get monitored. No mentoin was made on any preveious month since I have been on broadband, every month is always in excess of 30gig.

But NTL has no facility on showing you usage on say NTLworld customer services. When I use my Xbox I can not use a windows IP traffic logger. My modem is connected into my router. I can't even run it on my PC as 3 PC are connected to the network + wireless laptops, PDA.

Could the letter be sent out to people who download over 150gig to scare them into leaving the NTL network?

Maybe NTL does not want people who download over this amount (irrespective of what other package or phone usage they have). The letter is to saying COMPLY or be suspended (with charge) or downgraded at same price. Has the broadband department looked at what that account spends with NTL each month? I'm sure some have all the packages, sports movies and large phone usage.

Sad PR for a modern technology company, that has the most broadband users - hence some of the largest turnover in telecommunications. It is time for me to leave NTL and not be tempted this time with the upcoming 10meg upgrade package!

BB

[Chris W]

What router do you have? If it is compatible you can use something like PRTG to monitor the traffic going through the router.

[Hom3r]

I've been think about caps lately.

What with webcams, video streaming (like Big Brother), online gaming, P2P (Legite not Kazaa and similar), and others that I cannot think of all these will eat your 75Gb (when it arrives).

I would also like some software that check what i'm downloading, but the ones I've used have one fault, they check all data going through the router, which can cause inacurate readings from the web (I backed up data over my home network in excess of 75Gig. so theres no way to check what you are really downloading.

Is there anything software that works like this it counts what is being received via the web through the router, but ignores traffic over a local network?

[Chris W]

see my post just above yours

I used to use PRTG and had it set to monitor the uplink interface on my router.... so it ignored the local traffic

[bbr81]

well if my download of 172gig is about 512kb line flat out for 24/7.

then my 172gig on a 3meg line is about 6 days flat out of 30 day month.

To me 6 days flat out, out of 30 possible days is exceptable. When you spread taht 6 day usage across the 30 days (maybe not even spread), a companies infrastructure should be able to cope with that.

If I were to download non stop 24/7 on my 3meg line i could manage over 950gig of data.

So i see ADSL offering 2meg unlimited download. so in one month that is 648gig. 1meg 24/7 is 324gig. 512kb=165gig 24/7.

If they offer unlimited they should adhere to it. But companies do state up 2meg rate (maybe peak slow you down - fine).

I still think if NTL want you to manage your download they should provide a means of logging into a user area and seeing your download for that month/week/day, show the user the statistics that NTL can see (or some user friendly page). I hope NTL have up to date live statitics of their broadband users usage?

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