*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion (Part 3)

[HaroldT]

Many thanks gentlemen, I am now, I gather, on 1mb - 3 gbs but at £17.99. It seems that the offer £9.99 applies only to 'new clients' - and the NTL web site had not been modified to show this. I will now have to learn to work at high speed.

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[M35A2C]

Getting back on topic again, what about the lower speeds where we probably can't get anywhere near 150Gig a month ? (that's a lot of CDR's!!)

I'm on the 1M connection so what would be a trigger point to get a warning at this speed ? Has anyone had one ?
I'm not trying to push my luck but I want to d/l an ISO of a Linux installation package which at 700Mb will take me over my limit for this month and not leave me any usage for the rest of the month.
Currently I'm at 2.4Gigs since 1st August. I use Netmeter which has cumulative figures for daily, weekly & monthly usage in u/l & d/l streams plus a settable usage alarm figure.

Am I worrying too much about this ?
Should I just go for it to see what happens ?

BTW
3Gb per month is roughly 100Mb per day which is fine for a light user but once you have 2 computers plus use them a lot for video conferencing it soon gets chomped away at !

[mcmanic]

well i say if you want more then at least you should go on highest available tier and pay for it. The 1meg service tier should be Hard Capped to stop people taking the **** and paying the lowest rate. Yeah i may have gone over but at least i'm paying highest available price.

sorry if that sounded harsh, wasn't meant to be but everyone moans about leechers and stuff yet people forget that most of these 24/7 leachers probably ain't on the top tier, cos mummy & daddy won't pay more

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by M35A2C

Getting back on topic again, what about the lower speeds where we probably can't get anywhere near 150Gig a month ? (that's a lot of CDR's!!)

I'm on the 1M connection so what would be a trigger point to get a warning at this speed ? Has anyone had one ?
I'm not trying to push my luck but I want to d/l an ISO of a Linux installation package which at 700Mb will take me over my limit for this month and not leave me any usage for the rest of the month.
Currently I'm at 2.4Gigs since 1st August. I use Netmeter which has cumulative figures for daily, weekly & monthly usage in u/l & d/l streams plus a settable usage alarm figure.

Am I worrying too much about this ?
Should I just go for it to see what happens ?

BTW
3Gb per month is roughly 100Mb per day which is fine for a light user but once you have 2 computers plus use them a lot for video conferencing it soon gets chomped away at !

The caps aren't rigourously enforced at the moment so you will have no problem downloading your Linux ISO and continuing to use your connection for the remainder of the month. It won't be too long before they do start to enforce the caps though.

[matmimi]

I really don't know why people are afraid to say the truth...everyone is claiming that he downloads Linux ISOz, yet only 5% uses Linux/Unix/OS-X/.....etc.... !!!!!!!!!!!

Ok...regarding that bulldog stuff I said days ago....after 1 week of struggling with them, they gave me a call and told me that my line can't go beyond 1Mbit, and when I told them they tested my line when I signed-up like 2-3 months ago...they said it was preliminary test!!!!!!! <<<<<<<<<BS!!!

The CS tried to convince me to stick with them at a lower rate and he said in 2 months we are introducing higher speeds and your line might support up to 4/5 Mbit then...........LOOOOOOLââà ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬Ã‚¦ÃÆ⠀™Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãâ⠂¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¦.."There's an old saying in Tennessee †â€ÂÂÂ� I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee †â€ÂÂÂ� that says, fool me once, shame on †â€ÂÂÂ� shame on you. Fool me †â€ÂÂÂ� you can't get fooled again." This statement President Bush made in 2002 is one of the classic Bushisms of all time.ââ‚ƚ¬Ã‚ÂÂÂ�

I told him....I already have NTL and I signed up just to test the service so just cancel my account......hopefully they will cancel it cause I heard some talk about them no to do that easily!!!!!!!!

Anyway...the worst experience ever....and did I say RUDE CS also!!!

So if you are looking for another ISP to download XBOX/PS2/MP3/XVID/PSP/GC......look somewhere else and don't bother calling bulldog.......

[theNomad]

Thats the key matmimi really I too thought about bulldog (once your on it seems good from the guys I hang around irc with,but its clearly a long journey till they sort new users accounts out so its a long wait)

Untill the future plans of ntl are revealed with the possible unlimited 10mb or some kinda lower speed unlimited service,(surely if you d/l 10gbs or 210gbs theres alot who this will suit as they dont like having to watch their clocks) and if theyre ever gonna go from soft to hardcaps.I'm holding my guns and cutting down on my use a touch,football seasons back now thankfully so I've not as much free time as I had over the last few months so hopefully wont get a letter again.So like most I'm keeping my eyes on this thread to learn whats going to happen.

[Chrysalis]

there wont be a unlimited 10mbit. They have announced the prices will be static so the unmetered options will be lower speed then the metered options.

[mcmanic]

well lets hope they sort these unlimited tier or tiers out soon, since my letter i got myself DU METER to monitor whats been downloaded and since 23rd i have downloaded 14.69gigs and thats not what i even call excessive either as the pc wasn't on all day or all night or 24/7, just when it was it was downloading.

23/08/2205 - 1.16gig - less that 1 hour download
24/08/2205 - 128meg
25/08/2205 - 5.62gig - about 5 hours
26/08/2205 - 3.72gig - about 3 hours
27/08/2205 - 4.07gig - about 4 hours

I predict that i will use 20gig a week which falls 5gig over the new 75gig a month cap on the new 10meg connection if i go for speed and watch how much i download or just wait for a unlimited option that allows me to download more.

[Paul K]

Nearly 17Gigs in 4 days? What would you call excessive then?
At that rate you will be well over the 5Gigs you think you will be over the cap lol. Don't forget it's a monthly cap not 4 weekly

[mcmanic]

what you talking about? "well over the 5gigs" ?? - i'm on 3meg - 30gig a month soft cap, and what i'm aiming for during month of September when i'm *supposed* to be monitored is 75gigs as earlier i pointed out i got a letter for 155gig and there is noway i can keep to 30gig so making a point that anybody can download upto 100gigs a month and get away with it as the letters are sent out on a trigger of 150gigs

and i would call excessive is anybody that use's P2P and leave their PC's on 24/7 to do so! - where as mine is 14hours out of 60hours, not what i call excessive! as this has hardly any impact on the service unlike P2P users who constant max out their upstreams and downstreams

[Paul K]

Erm I'll clarify what I wrote as you seem to have mistaken what I put in my post You stated that at the rate you are using your connection you would be around 5Gigs over your cap. I pointed out that after downloading 17Gigs in 4 days you would be over the cap by more than 5Gigs. (16.69 divided by 4 = 4.1725, 4.1725 X 30 = 125Gigs ish)

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by mcmanic

what you talking about? "well over the 5gigs" ?? - i'm on 3meg - 30gig a month soft cap, and what i'm aiming for during month of September when i'm *supposed* to be monitored is 75gigs as earlier i pointed out i got a letter for 155gig and there is noway i can keep to 30gig so making a point that anybody can download upto 100gigs a month and get away with it as the letters are sent out on a trigger of 150gigs

and i would call excessive is anybody that use's P2P and leave their PC's on 24/7 to do so! - where as mine is 14hours out of 60hours, not what i call excessive! as this has hardly any impact on the service unlike P2P users who constant max out their upstreams and downstreams

150 GIG trigger is an assumption, just for the point of asking why do you find it so difficult to keep to the cap? Just wondering dont mean anything by it.....

[maverick]

Originally Posted by mcmanic

what you talking about? "well over the 5gigs" ?? - i'm on 3meg - 30gig a month soft cap, and what i'm aiming for during month of September when i'm *supposed* to be monitored is 75gigs as earlier i pointed out i got a letter for 155gig and there is noway i can keep to 30gig so making a point that anybody can download upto 100gigs a month and get away with it as the letters are sent out on a trigger of 150gigs

and i would call excessive is anybody that use's P2P and leave their PC's on 24/7 to do so! - where as mine is 14hours out of 60hours, not what i call excessive! as this has hardly any impact on the service unlike P2P users who constant max out their upstreams and downstreams

So let me get this right::

You have had a letter advising you that you have gone over your 30 gig per month limit,so the month your monitored your going do 75 gig and go over the limit again
And you think ntl wont do anything about it,ok we will see

[matmimi]

mcmanic: go for it!!!!! Download all you want...games/movies/music.....and even *linux isoz* as some weirdo do!!!

[mcmanic]

i based my downloads amount on the new 10gig amount not the 30gig (yes i know i shouldn't), but if they can say you can have 75gigs on 10meg when available they ain't gonna kick you of if you download 75gig on 3meg are they? - and if they do well that about sums up NTL don't it

and no NTL won't do anything, why because i haven't or won't have gone over the trigger amount of 100 or 150meg and my download for that month WILL be alot lower (less than half), thus it won't flag up on their system , because to see if i downloaded "X" amount over the limit they will have to send out letters to everyone who has gone 30gig just to see if i have gone over which would upset ALOT more people than the people who use it more. , i believe these letters was a test bed for the new 10meg service and we heavy users was used 1st to test the system is ready for an increased amount of downloading and possible offenders

And if i got a another letter then i'd deny all knowledge of receiving a letter (as they don't send recorded letter or e-mail) and deny anything i know about caps and become a newbie on all things internet and ask them to explain what a cap is as i never signed up for a limited service many years ago, upon which i'll let them go on about the T&C's ect,ect, then i'll just say sorry didn't know and then ask if they have a unlimited service starting soon, and if not then i would say that well i would have to reconsider my services (tv & phone & Internet which cost a fair bit) with NTL as now their services are not what was advertised when i signed up and not what i want anymore, then i would probabaly get a lovely discount for 3 months, lol


and why do i find it difficult to keep with the current 30gig cap, well having 3 kids don't help, lol and a wife who don't like watching what you do, so the PC is one of my main entertainments otherwise i'd go mad, lol - but the 75 gigs is far more acceptable

anyways must dash, got Stargate Atlantis to watch