Is this allowed?

[jtwn]

You seem to of totally forgotten the moral side of this to the pensioners aswell. Forget the 'support' you give them, as you obviously couldn't give a toss and see it as the burden of the 'deal'.

Instead you decide to cash in on their lack of knowledge, when yourself who knows enough that they could get a better deal, better service etc. if you actually referred them to ntl and the 9.99 deal.

[punky]

Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN

[(not that I at all defend those who use hacked modems to steal service, etc, that is compleatly different).

Yeah, really different!

[Alan Waddington]

I suspect that NTL will investigate this & take appropriate action to discourage others from following your example. If you're lucky it'll just be disconnection. Maybe they'll prosecute. Sounds like there's lots of witnesses down your street

[iain_herts]

ok simpsonsFAN u say ur not doing fraud so answer this for me then at £10 P/M how many of ur nabours in ur street are u SELLING ur BB connection to.

[simpsonsFAN]

Originally Posted by jtwn

Instead you decide to cash in on their lack of knowledge, when yourself who knows enough that they could get a better deal, better service etc. if you actually referred them to ntl and the 9.99 deal.

They know enough to know that 3mbit is faster than 1mbit, and at the same price there is no decision here. On your logic, NTL are cashing in on there customours lack of knowledge, they personally know themselfs that there are better deals and better services to be had with other ISPs, but are still charging us! Its a outrage, Should they be expected to give there service away for free because of that? or becuase some people are pensioners? - I think not.

Originally Posted by jtwn

You seem to of totally forgotten the moral side of this to the pensioners aswell. Forget the 'support' you give them, as you obviously couldn't give a toss and see it as the burden of the 'deal'.

That isnt true at all, it dosent matter if they are pensioners or not, by me buying them a wireless>ethernet bridge I expect them to pay 10pounds a month for use of my connection.

Should I buy every person in my street wireless cards (pensioners or not) and let them use my broadband connection? Dont be stupid, I carnt afford to pay 40pounds to every stranger in every house in my street for the equipment, so I wouldent even have a 3mbit ntl connection if that were the case.

I am not being "creul" or "mean" even unfair, If someone offerd me 3mb broadband for 10pounds a month I would jump at it and tell other people to get it aswell, but they dont, So i havent.
-Chris

[punky]

If everyone sends an e-mail to the NTL AUP team, might make them take a bit more notice...

Originally Posted by punky

If everyone sends an e-mail to the NTL AUP team, might make them take a bit more notice...

Done " link to this page sent to AUP " let them decided what to do about it

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Chris W

how do they know?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by nffc

how do they know?

At&T showed a method that could be used for people on the outside of the router (the network end) to deduce how many computers are attached.. Will try a find a link to the paper they published, but IIRC it all hinged on how many types of traffic are being carried.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN

They know enough to know that 3mbit is faster than 1mbit, and at the same price there is no decision here. On your logic, NTL are cashing in on there customours lack of knowledge, they personally know themselfs that there are better deals and better services to be had with other ISPs, but are still charging us! Its a outrage, Should they be expected to give there service away for free because of that? or becuase some people are pensioners? - I think not.

That isnt true at all, it dosent matter if they are pensioners or not, by me buying them a wireless>ethernet bridge I expect them to pay 10pounds a month for use of my connection.

Should I buy every person in my street wireless cards (pensioners or not) and let them use my broadband connection? Dont be stupid, I carnt afford to pay 40pounds to every stranger in every house in my street for the equipment, so I wouldent even have a 3mbit ntl connection if that were the case.

I am not being "creul" or "mean" even unfair, If someone offerd me 3mb broadband for 10pounds a month I would jump at it and tell other people to get it aswell, but they dont, So i havent.
-Chris

I hope ntl throw the book at you TBH.

Whatever you say, you are contravening the Ts & Cs that you signed up to.

In fact, I hope they take legal action against you.

I know that may sound harsh, but people like you that should be punished for what you do IMO.

It's morally & legally wrong, & I think you deserve every bit of punishment that comes your way.

[Paul K]

An interesting point made on DS

Plus he is selling hosting on his connection




Pinging www.burnouthosting.co.uk [82.15.**.**]

Tracing route to cpc4-nmkt1-6-0-cust71.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [82.15.***.**]

Are you hosting from your NTL IP account too or is that just where you are running your website from? I can't seem to find any info on your website as to who you host with and I wouldn't want to wrongly accuse you of running a hosting service from a server that is sitting in your house connected to your residential service.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN

I did advise on other ISPs to start with but at the time there wernt any 9.99 for 1mb deals in place, so I just put a small amount of my connection aside. They are more than happy with there current setup and the way that when they break stuff (and they do break stuff) they know I am only next door to come help.

The thing is, if you are using your connection yourself, then you are NOT offering 3 meg. I don't know how many neighbours you are offering a service to, but I suspect it's more than 3. So each would be getting less than 1 meg (assuming each uses an equal amount of bandwidth which probably isn't the case). So, if you have (say) 10 neighbours, each will get an average of 300K.

In my case, it's not that you are offering your connection to neighbours that disappoints me (as you say, that's not my business), but more that you are profiteering on pensioners, and offering them a deal that could be considerably worse than that offered by many ISPs.

[simpsonsFAN]

Originally Posted by Paul

Are you hosting from your NTL IP account too or is that just where you are running your website from?

I run the webhosting of a 1and1 dedicated server, and the dedicated servers that I sell are run by a freind on his business ADSL connection. On my home servers I run free image hosting, free webmail, my burnouthosting domain and a home domain off my ntl connections.
-Chris

[TheInsider]

Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN

On my home servers I run free image hosting, free webmail, my burnouthosting domain and a home domain off my ntl connections.
-Chris

Not for long on Ntl me thinks

Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN

That isnt true at all, it dosent matter if they are pensioners or not, by me buying them a wireless>ethernet bridge I expect them to pay 10pounds a month for use of my connection.

Should I buy every person in my street wireless cards (pensioners or not) and let them use my broadband connection? Dont be stupid, I carnt afford to pay 40pounds to every stranger in every house in my street for the equipment, so I wouldent even have a 3mbit ntl connection if that were the case.
.
-Chris

No but you could tell them at £10 they could have there own connection.