[Merged] All 24Mb DSL Discussions.

[TheBlueRaja]

Easynet plans ADSL2+ services 12:10PM
Easynet plans to introduce ADSL2+ services up to 24Mbps later this year, following the completion of imminent trials.

The local loop unbundler currently offers up to 8Mbps lines to ISPs - notably UK Online which has an 8Mbps residential broadband product - pushing ADSL technology to its limits. However the LLU kit that has installed at BT exchanges is also equipped with ADSL2+, smoothing any upgrade path.

Easynet has kit in 240 exchanges serving around 4.4 million homes and 700,000 businesses. Its ADSL2+ trials will run concurrent with BT's; some BT employees are currently testing lines running up to 18Mbps, although there is no news yet of a public trial.

Consequently there is now the genuine possibility of DSL services above and beyond 10Mbps being widely available before the end of 2005 and of the UK setting the broadband pace in Europe.


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[paulyoung666]

me wonders if ntl will play catch up to this

[TheBlueRaja]

NTL are already trialling ADSL2+ in London apparently and are testing it to provide HDTV as well.

Yikes..!

[punky]

Sweet...

I wonder when we are going to have a postcode checker...

If they mess up the introduction of adsl2 then they could put on hold possibly indeffinatly vdsl which in real terms is where we want to be

[Ignition]

The 24Mbps is as far as I was aware solely being tested for HDTV on demand puposes, not as an internet connection for residential customers.

It'd make the HFC / CMTS network redundant which is commercially stupid considering there are over 500 CMTSes along with their supporting structure out there, muchos moolah invested.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Ignition

The 24Mbps is as far as I was aware solely being tested for HDTV on demand puposes, not as an internet connection for residential customers.

It'd make the HFC / CMTS network redundant which is commercially stupid considering there are over 500 CMTSes along with their supporting structure out there, muchos moolah invested.

Current infrastructure and the cost of providing it is of no significance. Technological advancement comes along by replacing out of date methods by new state of the art methods. What has to be considered is the cost of implementing new methods of supplying services, timescale involved, ease of changeover, commercial advantage gained and amortisation period.

What is best to own, $billion of out of date infrastructure that no one wants to use because they can get better services elsewhere at lower cost or $billion of state of the art infrastructure that provides a significantly better and cheaper service than any of its competitors? I'm not saying that current NTL infrastructure is out of date or that nobody wants it but I am sure you get the drift of what I am saying. There will come a time when NTL has to reassess how it provides its services and and write off a lot of the current infrastructure. Available finance is the key to when that will be.

[jrhnewark]

Me want!

NTL are playing catch-up, and will continue (at least with their on-net services).

24Mbps, 30GB monthly cap. Err.

Hmmm, how often will you actually get close to 24Mbps .....

[jrhnewark]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Hmmm, how often will you actually get close to 24Mbps .....

That'd depend on whether hosting providers can keep up, otherwise it's damn futile!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by El Reg

Net users in London are to be offered broadband at speeds up to 24 meg as part of ambitious plans by a new UK ISP.

Privately funded Be Unlimited is a new local loop unbundling (LLU) operator that is installing its kit in BT telephone exchanges to provide broadband direct to end users.

Forty five exchanges in London have been earmarked by Be initially, although it has agressive plans to unbundle many more exchanges around the UK.

Here we go......

Originally Posted by Neil

Here we go......

Sounds good to me does that, NTL are trailing in the shadows at the moment.

"upto 24M" - i.e if you live on top of the exchange.

"agressive plans to unbundle" - anyone can have plans.

No price indications at all, but you can bet the top service will have a top price, and most of the time you won't get 24M anyway - the far end servers won't support it.

"NTL are trailing in the shadows at the moment" - to pie in the sky minority products like this, maybe - but few want it, even less will get it. I don't think ntl are going to worry about it.

[Ignition]

Shame ADSL2+ isn't approved for use in the UK yet, although it will be happening in the not too distant future, and that Easynet / UKOnline will be changing over to 2+ as soon as they can.

Will be interesting to see if they can really progress against the already established companies Easynet and Bulldog.

EDIT: That said their management team is very good, 3 directors with degrees from MIT, various staff from Swedish ISP BoStream.

http://www.bethere.co.uk/our_team.html

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by Paul M

"upto 24M" - i.e if you live on top of the exchange.

"agressive plans to unbundle" - anyone can have plans.

Couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by Paul M

No price indications at all, but you can bet the top service will have a top price, and most of the time you won't get 24M anyway - the far end servers won't support it.

"NTL are trailing in the shadows at the moment" - to pie in the sky minority products like this, maybe - but few want it, even less will get it. I don't think ntl are going to worry about it.

Indeed NTL can offer 3Mb to any home on net. Telewest is now offering 4Mb to any home on net (I think).

BT Broadband will now run at 2 Meg. If phone lines won't support the new higher rates, then BT says it will "offer the best speed available for your line".

So not much of a guarantee there then. This new company will be using the same copper last mile or 7 which is where the limitation of ADSL lies.