how can someone do this ? - Page 2

AndrewJ · 27-06-2005, 21:52

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Originally Posted by homealone

absolutely, the baby is ok, is the main thing, right now. Let's hope the mother reports in soon ......

I agree, also DNA may say something, with the baby being so young there is a chance either the mother gave birth at home ( could mean young girl ) and then dumped. Chances are she will need attention emotionally and physically.

27-06-2005, 21:59

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Originally Posted by mrlipring

did you mean that?

Either way, for someone to do that there must be something very wrong with them.

why knows WHY she decided on a bush? Depending on the mental state of the mother, it could've seemed a great idea. daft as it might sound, she might be under the deluded impression that the fairies who live in the bushes will look after the baby. Laugh if you like, but mental illness comes in all shapes and sizes, and it really wouldn't surprise me if it turned out she expects the smurfs to look after her baby.

Yes I did.

Society these days has a throw away mentality, and I am not a monkey, that would be my mrs...

What did you do with your consumer durable that you recently bought to replace the old one? Sell it on? or chuck it in the skip?

Yes, who knows why? but for the love of god, WHY? Every one has bad days, me included, maybe that is why i am on anti depressants (another story for another thread) but leav e your babay in a bush? No man! That is just not right! No matter how dimly common sense in viewed IMO.

So I am not laughing at mental illness as I am unfortunate to have one, but I at least know right from wrong, and that is most definately wrong my friend.

**Chris** · 27-06-2005, 21:59

And yet nobody gets in a righteous froth about all the unwanted babies who get thrown away every year, legally, thanks to a legal loophole called abortion.

AndrewJ · 27-06-2005, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Chris T

And yet nobody gets in a righteous froth about all the unwanted babies who get thrown away every year, legally, thanks to a legal loophole called abortion.

Lets keep this held on topic of a mother perhaps more mentally ill then we are, also perhaps a scared teenager in a family who she fears will outcast her if she tells them gives birth in a alley way and has to leave her baby there and act like nothing happened.

The above is not a fairy tale it is a true story I heard.

We need to remember that this person could have had little or no choice, and when scared frightned young and being oppressed mistakes happen.

mrlipring · 27-06-2005, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Tuftus

Yes I did.

Society these days has a throw away mentality, and I am not a monkey, that would be my mrs...

What did you do with your consumer durable that you recently bought to replace the old one? Sell it on? or chuck it in the skip?

well, first off i'm a bad example. I'm a hoarder.

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Yes, who knows why? but for the love of god, WHY? Every one has bad days, me included, maybe that is why i am on anti depressants (another story for another thread) but leav e your babay in a bush? No man! That is just not right! No matter how dimly common sense in viewed IMO.

WHY? If i knew that, i'd be a psychiatrist and not a CSA.

When your judgement is impaired through drink, drugs, mental illness or emotional troubles, there's no point asking why.

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So I am not laughing at mental illness as I am unfortunate to have one, but I at least know right from wrong, and that is most definately wrong my friend.

it's absolutely wrong. I'm not defending the action, just saying that the person might not be 100% aware of their actions and consequences thereof.

Marge · 27-06-2005, 22:29

One possibility is that the baby may have been dumped there by someone other than the mother. Some cultures regard the shame of a baby outside marriage as totally beyond words and it's possible this could be the action of an outraged and demented father. At this stage, with no further details, I think you should all be ashamed of juding the mother. Be righteous and indigant when the truth is known.

Ramrod · 27-06-2005, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Saxodriver

There is too many variables to consider before slating the mother here.

I think not

..........however as Marge said, there may be others involved who need 'slating'............
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Originally Posted by Marge

One possibility is that the baby may have been dumped there by someone other than the mother. Some cultures regard the shame of a baby outside marriage as totally beyond words and it's possible this could be the action of an outraged and demented father. At this stage, with no further details, I think you should all be ashamed of juding the mother. Be righteous and indigant when the truth is known.

Well put but the mother is the one who opened her legs..............

Stuart · 27-06-2005, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

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Originally Posted by Saxodriver

There is too many variables to consider before slating the mother here.

I think not

..........however as Marge said, there may be others involved who need 'slating'............
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Originally Posted by Marge

One possibility is that the baby may have been dumped there by someone other than the mother. Some cultures regard the shame of a baby outside marriage as totally beyond words and it's possible this could be the action of an outraged and demented father. At this stage, with no further details, I think you should all be ashamed of juding the mother. Be righteous and indigant when the truth is known.

Well put but the mother is the one who opened her legs..............

Ramrod, aren't you being a bit quick to judge?

danielf · 27-06-2005, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Tuftus

Yes I did.

Society these days has a throw away mentality, and I am not a monkey, that would be my mrs...

Is there any indication this happens more often these days, than 20 or 30 years ago?

It has happened in the pasy, and sadly, it will happen in the future. It's a little premature to blame the 'throw away society' imo...

**Chris** · 27-06-2005, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Saxodriver

Lets keep this held on topic of a mother perhaps more mentally ill then we are, also perhaps a scared teenager in a family who she fears will outcast her if she tells them gives birth in a alley way and has to leave her baby there and act like nothing happened.

The above is not a fairy tale it is a true story I heard.

We need to remember that this person could have had little or no choice, and when scared frightned young and being oppressed mistakes happen.

I'm not trying to go OT, I'm trying to contrast the indignation some have expressed over this child being dumped, when society, by and large, approves of other mothers doing just that with their babies by disposing of them before they are born.

FWIW it breaks my heart to think of that poor little girl dumped under a bush. When I have a newborn here in my own house I can pick up and cuddle, I cannot imagine how someone could do such a thing to someone like her. But I have to believe that there is a very good reason indeed, and I hope they find the mother because she needs help.

Marge · 27-06-2005, 22:58

I remember from my old surgery days a young girl who had sex one time only. Of course, sods law, she got pregnant. She was so ashamed of what had happened that she didn't tell anyone and had no antenatal care, nothing. When the time came and she went into labour at home her mum rang the emergency doctor saying her daughter had tummy pains. Off to hospital where they discover she's about to give birth

All hell then breaks loose when baby makes it's appearance. The midwives are told in no uncertain terms that if they come to the house they come in normal clothes. The end result of all this is baby is put up for adoption and mum is told she's off to America to live so the family don't have to endure her shame.

To be honest I think the family may have done something similar or worse to the baby if they thought they could have got away with it, things were that bad. They were of a culture where single mums with babies are just not the done thing.

This is why I can imagine the family doing something like this just as easily as a desperate mother who has been abandoned.

AndrewJ · 27-06-2005, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Chris T

I'm not trying to go OT, I'm trying to contrast the indignation some have expressed over this child being dumped, when society, by and large, approves of other mothers doing just that with their babies by disposing of them before they are born.

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Ramrod · 27-06-2005, 23:12

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Originally Posted by scastle

Ramrod, aren't you being a bit quick to judge?

I am aware of the possibilities of what is probably happening in the background but in the final analysis the mother has abandoned a newborn baby, her baby, under a bush rather than taking it to somewhere it's survival could be guaranteed.
I don't care how confused, distraught or stupid the mother is......it's just unforgivable...........

AndrewJ · 27-06-2005, 23:16

Ramrod consider this scenario.

A young teenage female gets pregnant by a peer presureing group who make her sleep with someone as is sadly common within our schools these days, her parents have drilled into her not to get pregnant and she is scared they will outcast her, or she will get into alot of trouble.

Scared and likely feeling very very alone from the world she goes out when the conractions starts in agony and gives birth likely in some alley somewhere, from there she has to leave her baby and go home.

With all the fear and pain it does not hit her to go with the baby to hospital, and she is scared that if she did goto hospital that they will involve her parents. ( she likely would not know better)

Now this girl could be at home in her bedroom crying her heart out, and cannot tell a soul.

How can we hate someone in such distress?

I know I sure as hell can't

Ramrod · 27-06-2005, 23:17

I know that in years to come she will feel the same way............