NTL promoting copyright infringement - Page 10

andygrif · 05-09-2003, 12:28

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Originally posted by orangebird
No it doesn't - if you download more than one gig a day for three days in a row out of fourteen, then you will be breakig the AUP.

The advert suggests there are 40000 movies on the net that could be downloaded. So what???

You're wrong about the three days in a row. In the quote from the AUP it says that it is 3 days in a consecutive 14 day period.

So what? Well it is illegal to promote illegal activity. Simple.

EDIT: Oops, XFS beat me to it on the consecutive thing!

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:28

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Originally posted by XFS03
I was quoting timewarrior2001 who said "unless you exceed 1Gb a day for 3 consecutive days in 14 you are not breaking AUP."

As you have just quoted from the AUP yourself, it is actually 3 days in a consecutive 14 day period, which is much more restrictive!

Still, either way, it blows andygrifs' point 2 out of the water. There is the bandwith to download a movie. End of.

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:30

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Originally posted by andygrif
You're wrong about the three days in a row. In the quote from the AUP it says that it is 3 days in a consecutive 14 day period.

So what? Well it is illegal to promote illegal activity. Simple.

See my last paragraph in post #135 - it doesn't bother me either way what is or isn't illegal...

Jonboy · 05-09-2003, 12:33

I AM WITH timewarrior2001 on this one wot yer gonna do when the plug is pulled on you to many do gooders about
i think its a cool advert move ntl they aint tellin any lies for once

andygrif · 05-09-2003, 12:33

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Originally posted by orangebird
Still, either way, it blows andygrifs' point 2 out of the water. There is the bandwith to download a movie. End of.

No it doesn't - not in the eyes of the ASA. You may know a lot about ntl OB - but I know a lot about the rules of advertising. If the adverister gives the impression of being able to have access to something (unless stating restrictions) it is in contravention of the rules of advertising in the UK.

So..point two stands.

And back to point one:

The advert clearly promotes an illegal activity. Not only is this a criminal offence, but also again against ASA regulations.

Nemesis · 05-09-2003, 12:34

Hmmm, methinks this is going to carry on and on and on.

Surely people are allowed to have their own opinions, I can see this turning nasty

Foo Fighter · 05-09-2003, 12:35

This is stupid i don't see why you have gone and grassed them up... its not gonna do anything good for ntl or us...

its stating a true fact anyway its not ntls fault that the internet is full warez, most people wouldn't have broadband if it wasn't for warez....

/me wonders off to download sommet

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:39

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Originally posted by andygrif
No it doesn't - not in the eyes of the ASA. You may know a lot about ntl OB - but I know a lot about the rules of advertising. If the adverister gives the impression of being able to have access to something (unless stating restrictions) it is in contravention of the rules of advertising in the UK.

So..point two stands.

And back to point one:

The advert clearly promotes an illegal activity. Not only is this a criminal offence, but also again against ASA regulations.

In your point 2, you stated that there is not the bandwith to download a movie. This is completes rubbish. You can - but to be on the safe side, only download two in a consecutive fourteen day period.....
Why can't you just admit it?

And with point 1 - great. I expect you be off grassing up all the other p2p/warez applications that you know promote illegal downloading etc after your triumph with ntl?

Shaun · 05-09-2003, 12:46

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Originally posted by orangebird
number 2 is WRONG. Yes you do have the bandwith, as long as you don't download for example 3 films in 14 days - as AUP clearly states.

Firstly The Matrix was available on the net as 3 VCDs', thats well over 1 days limit.

Secondly, would you like my Nan to complain to the ASA, she has never d/l a film or music off the net, she oly uses it for her shopping and banking, but she like me also thinks that it is a disgusting adverts.

Now, I like the rest of you like a good argument but this thread seems to be degenerating into a slanging match. I'm not that bothered where 'th' engineer' gets his b/b or if 'orangebird' is on a crusade to save Ntl. What I am interested in is that Ntl learn something from this situation, so therefore can we try and keep this thread on-topic by discussing the advert, not each other.

If we can't we may loose the chance to get this the recognition it deserves.

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:50

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Originally posted by dellwear
<snip>or if 'orangebird' is on a crusade to save Ntl. What I am interested in is that Ntl learn something from this situation, so therefore can we try and keep this thread on-topic by discussing the advert, not each other. <snip>

I am on no crusade for ntl - just cannot abide double standards of the mammoth proportions I am seeing on here....

As for your nan - good on her. If she's never downloaded illegally and has a problem with the advert, then she has every right to act as she see's fit

aliferste · 05-09-2003, 12:52

#reads thread#

ROFLMAO#

It IS biting the hand that feeds you.

The only good copies of films out there are ones that are out on DVD......the newest films are pathertic quality and are in no way enjoyable to watch. Shaky cams with poeple getting more popcorn.

I wonder if you people who are adamant about reporting ntl would be reporting your m8ts for copying a cd or downlaoding a film.........nah didnt think so ..!!

Nemesis · 05-09-2003, 12:55

I thought this was about NTL actually publishing the advert and by doing so promoting the illegal downloads of films etc.

I can't see my mates putting a 4 page wrap around on their local paper to advertise the fact that they do it !!

Shaun · 05-09-2003, 12:57

Another take on the issue at hand (trying desperately to steer the conversation away from the slanging match) is Google were recently made to remove some Kazza links from their search results pages because they infringe the 'Digital Millennium Copyright Act'. Google were not advertising Kazza, just providing a search service, the authorities still took a very dim view of the situation.

In this instance Ntl are implying that you can take their service and d/l movies and that will be o.k. I wonder what the RIAA would make of this?

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:59

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Originally posted by dellwear
Another take on the issue at hand (trying desperately to steer the conversation away from the slanging match) is Google were recently made to remove some Kazza links from their search results pages because they infringe the 'Digital Millennium Copyright Act'. Google were not advertising Kazza, just providing a search service, the authorities still took a very dim view of the situation.

In this instance Ntl are implying that you can take their service and d/l movies and that will be o.k. I wonder what the RIAA would make of this?

the advert states - "400,000-600,000 movies are downloaded every day" and "Spiderman was available on the net before it was even in the cinema". Two facts, as far as I see. Not a suggestion to go and do it.....

Shaun · 05-09-2003, 13:00

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Originally posted by orangebird
I am on no crusade for ntl - just cannot abide double standards of the mammoth proportions I am seeing on here....

As for your nan - good on her. If she's never downloaded illegally and has a problem with the advert, then she has every right to act as she see's fit

In regards to the first part of your post, I'm really not bothered, but by contently bring it up you seem to be proving 'them' right

Just because I may have d/l the odd song from the Internet (which I couldn't buy elsewhere), doesn't mean that I shouldn't be able to report Ntl, that just doesn't make any sense, I'm not inciting thousands of readers to do it.