NTL promoting copyright infringement - Page 9

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 11:46

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Originally posted by andygrif
The hypocrisy is not whther someone might have downloaded a movie (which incedentally I have not - I prefer to own the DVD myself) but the following:

1. This is a good thing to do

2. You have the bandwidth to do it (which under the terms of the AUP you clear do not).

number 2 is WRONG. Yes you do have the bandwith, as long as you don't download for example 3 films in 14 days - as AUP clearly states.

th'engineer · 05-09-2003, 11:48

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Originally posted by orangebird
number 2 is WRONG. Yes you do have the bandwith, as long as you don't download 3 films in 14 days - as AUP clearly states.

never seen 3 films in 14 days in the AUP have they changed it again

05-09-2003, 11:49

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Originally posted by th'engineer
never seen 3 films in 14 days in the AUP have they changed it again

You know damn well what OB meant.

unless you exceed 1Gb a day for 3 consecutive days in 14 you are not breaking AUP.

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 11:50

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Originally posted by th'engineer
never seen 3 films in 14 days in the AUP have they changed it again

Well done Th'eng. Can't bring a decent argument to the discussion, so you take posts out of the context although you're probably well aware of what it is, and become facaetious (sp?). Another classic. My post will now be edited, so no more misunderstandings can happen....

05-09-2003, 11:53

OK slightly off topic, I now have to go do some welding etc on my car. I'll be back though. Dont know if I can stay in the real world too long.

**Chris** · 05-09-2003, 11:57

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Originally posted by orangebird
And you don't see anthing wrong with this?

I do see something wrong with it. It's illegal. I have never disagreed with you on this point. What I have said, is that focusing on this point obscures the central issue which is, 'is ntl inciting people to commit illegal acts?'

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So, you know it's illegal to download said films, but you do it anyway.

I have never downloaded any film illegally from the internet, and I would be interesed if you could link to anything I have said that has given you cause to think that I have.

I'll give you a starter for 10 - I tried out Napster a couple of years ago but never moved on to use any other p2p application because I felt distinctly uncomfortable about it. It is illegal after all.

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Maybe ntl know they shouldn't be advertising the fact you can do these downloads via their BB service, but they are anyway....

q) What's the difference?
a) absolutely none.

For someone who is so concerned about everyone's morals, you are remarkably tolerant of the way NTL appears to be acting in this instance. This country has laws precisely so that breaking them does make a difference.

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But carry on, the lot of you. My sincerest wishes that you all get a life after your crusade is over (as long as you all don't choke on your hypocritical words first )

You protested in an earlier post that you are not on some mission to defend ntl at any cost on any issue, or words to that effect. I hope you can understand why some folks find that hard to believe. This to me is simply a case of, have ntl broken the law (and spent our subscription money doing it) or have they not? If they have, what should happen to them? There was no need to make it a slanging match over people's morality.

Shaun · 05-09-2003, 12:02

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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
What should have been done is a protest to NTL

Yer right, have you seen .com recently, Ntl management have been contacted time and time again in protest to several issues and all people get is stony silence.

Please don't over dramatise on this issue, if NTL go under some other company will take over the network, AOL?

This isn't the first time this has happened, if you care to look at the ASA website, they are regularly being rapped over the knuckles for misleading advertising but nothing changes.

This IS the only way they will learn.

05-09-2003, 12:05

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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
You know damn well what OB meant.

unless you exceed 1Gb a day for 3 consecutive days in 14 you are not breaking AUP.

Wrong

It always makes me smile when someone tries to correct another person, only to get it wrong themselves.

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:10

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Originally posted by towny
I do see something wrong with it. It's illegal. I have never disagreed with you on this point. What I have said, is that focusing on this point obscures the central issue which is, 'is ntl inciting people to commit illegal acts?'

I have never downloaded any film illegally from the internet, and I would be interesed if you could link to anything I have said that has given you cause to think that I have.

I'll give you a starter for 10 - I tried out Napster a couple of years ago but never moved on to use any other p2p application because I felt distinctly uncomfortable about it. It is illegal after all.

For someone who is so concerned about everyone's morals, you are remarkably tolerant of the way NTL appears to be acting in this instance. This country has laws precisely so that breaking them does make a difference.

You protested in an earlier post that you are not on some mission to defend ntl at any cost on any issue, or words to that effect. I hope you can understand why some folks find that hard to believe. This to me is simply a case of, have ntl broken the law (and spent our subscription money doing it) or have they not? If they have, what should happen to them? There was no need to make it a slanging match over people's morality.

It's not the fact whether what ntl or you (and when I say 'you' I don't mean you personally towny, so apologies for the confusion there

) are behaving illegally.

Yes, I am tolerant of it, because I don't see it as a big deal, just as I don't see illegally downloading films as a big deal - I have more than a couple of downloaded albums myself.

I am so sick of repeating myself, and am not going to do it again, and I really want to give all you good people the benefit of the doubt that you are intelligent enough to understand what I'm getting at - illegal or not, ntl or not, it's the HYPOCRISY OF THE SITUATION that I find appalling.
If you were all intent on outing yourselves to the relevant authorities on all the illegal downloading you've done, you may be able to gain some respect and have a decent argument. But until then, IMO you're just bored, with sad, pointless agendas. I;m not trying to start a slanging match, just saying as I see it.

andygrif · 05-09-2003, 12:12

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Originally posted by orangebird
number 2 is WRONG. Yes you do have the bandwith, as long as you don't download for example 3 films in 14 days - as AUP clearly states.

But where in the advert did it say that there was a limit to the amount you could download. Quite the opposite in fact - it suggests that there are 400,000 movies downloaded every day (although where this figure came from I have no idea).

So point two stands.

andygrif · 05-09-2003, 12:13

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Originally posted by timewarrior2001
You know damn well what OB meant.

unless you exceed 1Gb a day for 3 consecutive days in 14 you are not breaking AUP.

Sorry to be pedantic, but it is 1Gb per day, for three days, in a consecutive 14 day period

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:17

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Originally posted by XFS03
Wrong

It always makes me smile when someone tries to correct another person, only to get it wrong themselves.

Quote from AUP -

We will be very flexible. Our objective is only to limit very frequent or persistent heavy network use that can impact other customers. Therefore we will ONLY contact customers who exceed the daily data limit for three or more days in any consecutive 14-day period.

Link for AUP attached - please tell me where I was wrong?
http://www.ntlworld.com/service_update.html

orangebird · 05-09-2003, 12:20

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Originally posted by andygrif
But where in the advert did it say that there was a limit to the amount you could download. Quite the opposite in fact - it suggests that there are 400,000 movies downloaded every day (although where this figure came from I have no idea).

So point two stands.

No it doesn't - if you download more than one gig a day for three days in a row out of fourteen, then you will be breakig the AUP.

The advert suggests there are 40000 movies on the net that could be downloaded. So what???

Richard M · 05-09-2003, 12:20

OK - can we chill on the cap/aup thing now please.

05-09-2003, 12:23

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Originally posted by orangebird
Quote from AUP -

...we will ONLY contact customers who exceed the daily data limit for three or more days in any consecutive 14-day period.

Link for AUP attached - please tell me where I was wrong?
http://www.ntlworld.com/service_update.html

I was quoting timewarrior2001 who said "unless you exceed 1Gb a day for 3 consecutive days in 14 you are not breaking AUP."

As you have just quoted from the AUP yourself, it is actually 3 days in a consecutive 14 day period, which is much more restrictive!