NTL promoting copyright infringement

Originally posted by th'engineer
Come on OB not like you to be down just got an e-mail from ASA quoting British Code of Advertising, Sales
Promotion and Direct Marketing (the rulebook used by the ASA) states:

2.2 All marketing communications should be prepared with a sense of
responsibility to consumers and to society.

4.1 Marketers have primary responsibility for ensuring that their
marketing communications are legal. Marketing communications should comply
with the law and should not incite anyone to break it.

They have blown it complaint in, everyone please use online form at ASA

Do you have a link?

[orangebird]

Originally posted by towny
I agree. The bloke I wrote to is the technology correspondent for BBC News Online, he doesn't work in TV or Radio. Having worked in the media and PR, I do know a thing or two about correct targeting of potential stories. It's not going to make the TV news but it stands a realistic chance of getting on BBC news online.

Well, good for you. Grab yourself a medal.

[th'engineer]

Originally posted by towny
Do you have a link?

as requested here

[th'engineer]

Originally posted by orangebird
Well, good for you. Grab yourself a medal.

now surprised at you OB you should know not to be surprised with anything NTl do.

Wonder if anyone has contacted Vidzone about it they provide movies but ntl implying that people should download pirated

Bet they are not impressed waiting for e-mail from them, please feel free to e-maiol them any members of the site

[orangebird]

Originally posted by th'engineer
now surprised at you OB you should know not to be surprised with anything NTl do.

Wonder if anyone has contacted Vidzone about it they provide movies but ntl implying that people should download pirated

Bet they are not impressed waiting for e-mail from them, please feel free to e-maiol them any members of the site

FOR THE LAST TIME!!!!!

It's not ntl's advertising that I am unbelievable incensed by! It's everyone's double standards - unless you have never downloaded anything illegally, you have absolutely no right to take the moral high ground on this one.

Don't be surprised Th'eng, nothing at ntl surprises me - I've been here too long......

[Stuart W]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
<snip> ...Anmd if S.W had illegally uncapped his CM you are damned lucky NTL didnt prosecute you for Fraud, but hey thats OK isnt it, because you defrauded NTL..... <snip>

OK, here are the FACTS I uncapped, got caught and offered to not only explain to ntl techs how it was done, but also offer a solution to stop anyone ever using that method again.
Instead of taking my offer they quoted irelevant sections of the AUP.... To cut a damn long story short, I had my service suspended (which I paid for) and had to sign a document, which I did.
ntl would not have prosecuted me for fraud because they could not prove any of the needed criteria. I uncapped, but they didn't (and don't to this day) know how.

Now, obviously I shouldn't have done it. I have tried to explain to people that I actualy downloaded LESS during my 'uncapped' time than I did under normal service, but as usual most people wouldn't listen and just gave me digs for uncapping.

ntl saw fit to suspend my services as a result of my uncapping.
In much the same way that I see it fit for ntl to re-imburse me for loss of service.

Now, advertising which condones piracy / copyright theft is a wrong thing to do. Wether it is more wrong or less wrong than uncapping a CM I'm realy not sure, but either way it is wrong.
Wrong, wrong... wrong.

I am sick of ntl's "ignore the customer at all costs" attitude and am pleased there are others with the same opinion as me.

I say feck 'em. ntl have messed up AGAIN.

Originally posted by Stuart W
OK, here are the FACTS I uncapped, got caught and offered to not only explain to ntl techs how it was done, but also offer a solution to stop anyone ever using that method again.
Instead of taking my offer they quoted irelevant sections of the AUP.... To cut a damn long story short, I had my service suspended (which I paid for) and had to sign a document, which I did.
ntl would not have prosecuted me for fraud because they could not prove any of the needed criteria. I uncapped, but they didn't (and don't to this day) know how.

Now, obviously I shouldn't have done it. I have tried to explain to people that I actualy downloaded LESS during my 'uncapped' time than I did under normal service, but as usual most people wouldn't listen and just gave me digs for uncapping.

ntl saw fit to suspend my services as a result of my uncapping.
In much the same way that I see it fit for ntl to re-imburse me for loss of service.

Now, advertising which condones piracy / copyright theft is a wrong thing to do. Wether it is more wrong or less wrong than uncapping a CM I'm realy not sure, but either way it is wrong.
Wrong, wrong... wrong.

I am sick of ntl's "ignore the customer at all costs" attitude and am pleased there are others with the same opinion as me.

I say feck 'em. ntl have messed up AGAIN.

hey I said IF, you know I wasnt saying you were guilty of anything.

No matter what your argument is though I do not support your actions and I will never support them over this advertisement.
I think you have all rushed in and not thought about the implications of your actions.

I will however support the people in the CAP thread.

At this time I bear no grudges and no ill feelings to anyone.

[Stuart W]

Originally posted by orangebird
FOR THE LAST TIME!!!!!

It's not ntl's advertising that I am unbelievable incensed by! It's everyone's double standards - unless you have never downloaded anything illegally, you have absolutely no right to take the moral high ground on this one.

Don't be surprised Th'eng, nothing at ntl surprises me - I've been here too long......

Are you realy serious with this stance OB??

If one does wrong, one must tolerate all others wrong doing?

what a sad, sad world it would be if that were the case. We would no longer have a police force or an army
Or do you believe that all police officers have never commited any offence?

Do you drive a car? have you ever gone over the speed limit?
If so, you can never complain at lunatics on the motorway at 130mph+. You can't complain about the moron behind you 3 inches from your bumper flashing his lights.

OB, scroll up, re-read your posts and think about what you are saying.

[Nemesis]

Hang on a minute, whether or not you have downloaded something you shouldn't from the web .... NTL were still promoting information piracy, copyright theft.

I can't see how I'm being hypocrital.

I do not promote copyright theft, and do not supply.

Right I have just re-read the article.

NTL are not saying anything, what they are doing is quoting Facts about the internet.
They do not say use NTL to illegally download movies, they dont even say Download movies. It says 400,000 to 600,000 movies are downloaded a day. It doesnt even say 400,000 to 600,000 movoies are downloaded using NTL home internet a day.

Then it says that spiderman was available on the net before the cinemas, which is true, so was the Hulk.

can someone show me where it says illegally download movies, I cant see it, can someone show me where it says Use your NTL connection to steal copyright?


well can they?

[Stuart W]

OB...

If I walk down the road and see a £10 note, pick it up and decide to keep it, that is theft. Steeling by finding I believe.

If I later see an elderly person being robbed in the street, I think to my self "Hmm, I'd love to intervene and stop that thief, but, hey, he's a thief, I'm a thief, so there's nothing I can do".

Well your honor, I saw the men drag the victim into a van and drive off, but didn't say anything because I have, in the past, collected my children early from school and taken them home to be grounded as punishment, so we are both guilty of false imprisonment.... what could I do? I don;t want to be labeled a HYPOCRITE after all.....

[orangebird]

Originally posted by Stuart W
Are you realy serious with this stance OB??

If one does wrong, one must tolerate all others wrong doing?

You seem to think so - after uncapping your modem, you appear to have been slightly miffed at ntl not accepting your offer of how you did as an apology.....

what a sad, sad world it would be if that were the case. We would no longer have a police force or an army
Or do you believe that all police officers have never commited any offence?

I have no idea. I'm sure there area dirty cops out there - and any of there actions incensed me as much as this has, I would indeed react as I am now.

Do you drive a car? have you ever gone over the speed limit?
If so, you can never complain at lunatics on the motorway at 130mph+. You can't complain about the moron behind you 3 inches from your bumper flashing his lights.

Yes, I regularly break the speed limit - but I'm not about to grass up someone just because they have Let the moron flash his lights instead. All I have to do is slowdown and put the brakes on and he/she will get themselves in trouble, rather than me getting them in trouble.

OB, scroll up, re-read your posts and think about what you are saying.

I am very clear on what I am saying, thank you, and am of the same opinion. You're all hypocrites.

[Ignition]

Originally posted by th'engineer
If they dont change they will lose customers and your bills will go up or they will go into chapter 11 again.

Trust me its for NTLs own good its like taking medicine to cure a sickness

*Checks ntl shareprice + customer numbers - wow it's not looking too good is it? Oh hang on, actually it is looking pretty good....

I think in your case sir the saddest part about this whole affair is how much you seem to be enjoying it. You describe yourself on another site as a self-appointed advisor to ntl meanwhile you seem to be on a bit of an ego-trip as far as this matter goes. I remember mentioning to you that you can now take ADSL in another thread, and why aren't you voting with your pocket as you through anticap advised so many others to do? As I remember no response? You even went as far as bemoaning the lower upstream on ntl's 600k service. BT can get you a phoneline in straight away if the point is already there, you can have adsl within 2 weeks. Or does that mean you can't bemoan ntl if you leave, and there goes a big recreational activity.

Just the vibe I think everyone is getting from the language you've used. One of oneupsmanship rather than anything else. Though you should be used to that, enough people joined then ran away from anticap thanks to your ranting, most of them like myself employees willing to have constructive conversation, but a couple of ranty posts from yourself soon ended that trend.

Maybe ntl will get fined lots then we'll see headline 'ntl to cut jobs in Wythenshawe following ASA / FAST / Trading Standards fine - then you'll see how what you do affects real people, especially if they are up in your neck of the woods, and maybe it'll wipe that smug smile off your face.

StuartW:

ntl saw fit to suspend my services as a result of my uncapping.
In much the same way that I see it fit for ntl to re-imburse me for loss of service.

OK so if you got convicted of theft you'd see fit to sue HMG for loss of pay? You got caught, suspended, and you want ntl to reimburse you for cutting you off. Frankly you are lucky you were put back on at all, let alone the fact what you did was illegal and carries a prison sentence if they'd wanted to take it that far.

For what it's worth I absolutely agree, the advert is completely out of order, and someone in that business unit does deserve a bit of a slapping for it. Just the way certain people are going about this is damn childish, bordering on pathetic.

[Stuart W]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Right I have just re-read the article.

NTL are not saying anything, what they are doing is quoting Facts about the internet.
They do not say use NTL to illegally download movies, they dont even say Download movies. It says 400,000 to 600,000 movies are downloaded a day. It doesnt even say 400,000 to 600,000 movoies are downloaded using NTL home internet a day.

Then it says that spiderman was available on the net before the cinemas, which is true, so was the Hulk.

can someone show me where it says illegally download movies, I cant see it, can someone show me where it says Use your NTL connection to steal copyright?


well can they?

No need. You have already done it.

Superman available on net before cinema.

Picture this.... Your son comes home from school and calls you a f*cking c*nt and tells you to s*ck his d*ck. This fills you with rage and you demand to know why he is saying these things.... he says "Well, my teachers were telling me about a former pupil at the school who swore a lot, I thought it was a good idea, so I have incorperated it into my vocabulary, you c*nt"
Needless to say you ring the school, who confirm that bad language was the topic of todays lessons.

Of course, you would accept this and let your son carry on with the foul language wouldn't you.

More importantly, you wouldn't do anything about the school teaching kids this stuff without explaining that it is actually wrong because, after all, you have used foul language and wouldn't want to be a hypocrite eh?

[orangebird]

Originally posted by Stuart W
No need. You have already done it.

Superman available on net before cinema.

Picture this.... Your son comes home from school and calls you a f*cking c*nt and tells you to s*ck his d*ck. This fills you with rage and you demand to know why he is saying these things.... he says "Well, my teachers were telling me about a former pupil at the school who swore a lot, I thought it was a good idea, so I have incorperated it into my vocabulary, you c*nt"
Needless to say you ring the school, who confirm that bad language was the topic of todays lessons.

Of course, you would accept this and let your son carry on with the foul language wouldn't you.

More importantly, you wouldn't do anything about the school teaching kids this stuff without explaining that it is actually wrong because, after all, you have used foul language and wouldn't want to be a hypocrite eh?

Sorry Stuart, you really are scraping the bottom of the 'for instance' barrel now.....