Star Wars EP3 Discussion WARNING: SPOILERS - Page 4

Russ · 23-05-2005, 15:54

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Originally Posted by pumpkin

Don't I have a say in this?

Maybe I'm a Sith looking for an apprentice and I though a discussion forum about Star Wars would provide rich pickings - lots of young men with malleable minds - so I can use my superior mind powers!

We'll have no cottaging on cableforum thankyouverymuch

23-05-2005, 15:55

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Originally Posted by pumpkin

Thought using Padme's death as a reason for Anakin turning to the dark side was contrived. Luke asks Leia about her mother and she says she remembers she was very beautiful but sad. So Padme can't have died in childbirth otherwise Leia would have no recollection of her. I don't think anything will beat the original trilogy but then I'm old enough to remember going to see them at the cinema from 1977 onwards so I'm probably biased - but I don't care!

she would have ment her adoptive mother,of course she was sad,the republic has become an empire,before the detruction of Alderan,the death star was being built the emperor had taken total control of what was a democrocy.Leia would have grown up with that,Bail Organa used to be ambassader it was all taken away

I loved the shot of the alderan ship,the exact same one as first shot ep4,even the interia was right,excellent film

philip.j.fry · 23-05-2005, 15:56

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Originally Posted by pumpkin

Don't I have a say in this?

Maybe I'm a Sith looking for an apprentice and I though a discussion forum about Star Wars would provide rich pickings - lots of young men with malleable minds - so I can use my superior mind powers!

This isn't the forum you are looking for. Move along

Nugget · 23-05-2005, 16:01

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Originally Posted by Russ D

We'll have no cottaging on cableforum thankyouverymuch

I'm quite confused - where are all of the young men

etccarmageddon · 23-05-2005, 16:18

and since when did Russ think he was Elvis?

Pumpkin · 23-05-2005, 16:51

You might be right about this being the wrong forum - you all have mucky minds and have misunderstood what I meant.

And she didn't mean her adoptive mun because Luke specifically asked Leia about her real mother!!! Am I remembering a different film to everyone else!!!!!

Xaccers · 23-05-2005, 17:24

I think the funniest part in Ep3 was when Palpatine appeared as a hologram Darth Sidius (anyone else notice darth can be swapped with "in" for most of the sith?) and my dad asked me (rather loudly) "isn't that the chancellor?"

Ep1-3 has only proved what I thought all along, George Lucas can't direct for toffee, has no idea what his own story is about (remember, ep6 was going to be called REVENGE of the Jedi, when we'd been told several times the Jedi do not seek revenge! Hello George, did you actually read anything that you wrote??)
Personally, I'm going to ignore Ep1-3 and pray they don't affect the post RotJ books in any way as the continuity in those is fantastic and even the bad ones are much better written than eps1-3.
Maybe we'll get lucky and George will give up the rights so someone better can come along and remake them properly.
Anyway, must get back to my book to find out how Luke's son (Ben) grows up

Raistlin · 23-05-2005, 17:35

Episode 6: Return of the Jedi

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Luke turns and looks at her a long moment.

LUKE: Leia... do you remember your mother? Your real mother?

LEIA: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.

LUKE: What do you remember?

LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.

LUKE: Tell me.

LEIA: (a little surprised at his insistence) She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad. (looks up) Why are you asking me all this?

He looks away.

LUKE: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.

Russ · 23-05-2005, 17:37

But how do we know that Leia knew who she was referring to? Could it possibly have been another strong maternal figure in her childhhood?

Xaccers · 23-05-2005, 17:42

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But how do we know that Leia knew who she was referring to? Could it possibly have been another strong maternal figure in her childhhood?

Because we know Lucas is useless with his own continuity, so RotJ was most likely written refering to their mother, and Lucas screwed up with the end of RotS, even though he could have had Padme living after the birth, giving Luke up, and living on Alderaan for a few years in secret before finally kicking the bucket and letting Bail Organa adopt Leia.

Mal · 23-05-2005, 17:42

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Originally Posted by pumpkin

You might be right about this being the wrong forum - you all have mucky minds and have misunderstood what I meant.

Don't worry, you'll get used to that

Raistlin · 23-05-2005, 17:43

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LEIA: Just...images, really. Feelings.

Think about the way that scientists think certain knowledge is passed genetically to babies in the womb (certainly with some animal species).

It's possible that one of two things could account for Leia's statement here:

She does remember her mother. Her mother was still alive (albeit for a very short time) when she was born so she would have seen how sad she was. Her Jedi powers could have allowed her to recall that.
Knowledge of her mother was passed on to her genetically (through the power of the force) when she was in the womb. Jedis are able to sense eachother's feelings in the normal course of things anyway, it's possible that the featal Leia could have picked up on her mother's sorrow when she was still in the womb.

Xaccers · 23-05-2005, 17:45

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Originally Posted by Raistlin

Think about the way that scientists think certain knowledge is passed genetically to babies in the womb (certainly with some animal species).

It's possible that one of two things could account for Leia's statement here:

She does remember her mother. Her mother was still alive (albeit for a very short time) when she was born so she would have seen how sad she was. Her Jedi powers could have allowed her to recall that.
Knowledge of her mother was passed on to her genetically (through the power of the force) when she was in the womb. Jedis are able to sense eachother's feelings in the normal course of things anyway, it's possible that the featal Leia could have picked up on her mother's sorrow when she was still in the womb.

But leia's jedi powers are much weaker than luke's, so there's more chance of him remembering than her, and leia's twins were exceptions in that they were force aware within the womb

Pumpkin · 24-05-2005, 08:56

I think trying to excuse Lucas's clueless attempts at shoehorning in a continuity error as a major plot twist in EP3 is being too kind. Why couldn't Lucas perhaps have Padme becoming frightened of the change in Anakin and his lust for power, and so he wants to learn about the dark side as a way of getting her to love him again. She could go into hidding because of her fear of him, have the twins in secret and Leia could remember her post partum - not through womb memories!

Tezcatlipoca · 24-05-2005, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Personally, I'm going to ignore Ep1-3 and pray they don't affect the post RotJ books in any way as the continuity in those is fantastic and even the bad ones are much better written than eps1-3.

The Timothy Zahn SW books are excellent

Kevin J Anderson's books... not too bad.

Some right stinkers though by other authors...Children of the Jedi, Crystal Star & others

Also wasn't too keen on the "New Jedi Order" books...gave up on them after the first few, although perhaps they've improved.