TV Torrents - Page 2

Fawkes · 08-05-2005, 05:10

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Another vote for www.uknova.com!

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cookie_365 · 08-05-2005, 08:36

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Originally Posted by homealone

why is this different from taping an episode, for personal use??

afaik it is only distributing the stored material, for gain, that is a problem?

Surely you don't actually believe that?

There is a very limited provision that says you can record a broadcast or cable transmission exclusively for the purpose of viewing/listening at a more convenient time.

Copying the program for, say, sharing, is clearly not included in this. By downloading or possessing a copy through BT you'll be in breach of S.16, S.17, S.23 Copyright Designs & Patents Act.

Maximum sentence: 2 years

punky · 08-05-2005, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Another vote for www.uknova.com!

How on earth do you get in?

I click "torrents" and it asks me for a login. I click "signup" and it says "its not for public use".

Gareth · 08-05-2005, 10:34

Elite Torrents - it's not easy to become a member, but it really does have its benefits.
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UKNova is periodically open for new membership from time to time... it's kinda a case of being in the right place at the right time.
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Tristan, is this the one you're after...?

Doctor Who 2005 S01E06

Org. Date : 30.04.2005
Rls. Date : 30.04.2005
Source : PDTV
Genre : Sci-Fi
Ep. Name : Dalek

punky · 08-05-2005, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Gareth

UKNova is periodically open for new membership from time to time... it's kinda a case of being in the right place at the right time.

Ahh cheers mate.

aliferste · 08-05-2005, 11:07

For TV torrents the only place to go is

www.tvtorrents.com

and the latest Dr Who is first on the list

LostintheNW · 08-05-2005, 12:36

It is illegal to download them once they have been broadcast and actually taping anything from the TV and Radio is copyright infringement....anyone remember when they used to put the high pitched whistles in the songs on the radio sometimes? that was to stop people recording them. Just because they have been played on tv does not mean the copyright ends - its accepted people do record tv shows etc but these people are allowed by law to watch them, shoving them on the net for other in other countries is not allowed however....but who cares if they are there then tough lol

Tezcatlipoca · 08-05-2005, 13:49

Although it's still illegal, I don't see it as being as bad, morally, as downloading something like a movie.

You generally have to pay to see a film legally (cinema, rental/retail DVD & VHS), whereas TV programmes are simply...shown on TV. OK, if you download a show, you are missing out on the adverts (which is how they're funded), but, hey, who watches the ads on TV anyway.

But, nonetheless, can we please have no further clickable links to torrent sites please

It is apparently OK for a URL to be posted, so long as it is not a clickable link.

I've gone through the thread, & made all the existing URLs "un-clickable".

bmxbandit · 08-05-2005, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Matt D

Although it's still illegal, I don't see it as being as bad, morally, as downloading something like a movie.

true, it still is illegal, but if i download something showed on the bbc, and i pay the license fee... i have a clean conscience

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Originally Posted by Matt D

It is apparently OK for a URL to be posted, so long as it is not a clickable link.

good plan, but might be worth turning off the auto-tag-adding thing then, or links will have to be obfuscated...

08-05-2005, 15:54

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Originally Posted by cookie_365

Surely you don't actually believe that?

There is a very limited provision that says you can record a broadcast or cable transmission exclusively for the purpose of viewing/listening at a more convenient time.

Copying the program for, say, sharing, is clearly not included in this. By downloading or possessing a copy through BT you'll be in breach of S.16, S.17, S.23 Copyright Designs & Patents Act.

Maximum sentence: 2 years

I think you may have misunderstood, when I said 'personal use' I meant it to be analogous to taping a transmission for later viewing.

I didn't intend to mean copying for sharing, as that would constitute 'gain', in my opinion. Although using torrents to download is questionable, on this point, as they rely on people sharing, while copying, to work.

One thing which eases my conscience, somewhat, on the last point, is that the repeats etc are shown on BBC3, which I don't get, as an analogue user.

So, I did download the 'Dalek' episode, to watch again, but I won't be selling copies down the pub

cookie_365 · 08-05-2005, 16:32

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Originally Posted by homealone

I think you may have misunderstood, when I said 'personal use' I meant it to be analogous to taping a transmission for later viewing.

I didn't intend to mean copying for sharing, as that would constitute 'gain', in my opinion. Although using torrents to download is questionable, on this point, as they rely on people sharing, while copying, to work.

One thing which eases my conscience, somewhat, on the last point, is that the repeats etc are shown on BBC3, which I don't get, as an analogue user.

So, I did download the 'Dalek' episode, to watch again, but I won't be selling copies down the pub

Yes, I know that's you meant - it's still illegal even if you don't share it though - just making or possessing the copy is enough to break the law ....

Stephen · 08-05-2005, 16:34

www.btefnet.net is where I go for my TV torrents

08-05-2005, 19:01

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Originally Posted by cookie_365

Yes, I know that's you meant - it's still illegal even if you don't share it though - just making or possessing the copy is enough to break the law ....

As far as I know you are correct, in fact this debate has been around for ages, certainly since the introduction of the 'compact cassette'. I can remember people questioning the legality of having a 'copy for the car', for example.

In the context of the thread, my personal opinion is that one copy, for ones own use, of already broadcast material, is ok, and it is the law that is an ass

Gareth · 08-05-2005, 19:08

Actually, from what I remeber of my law lectures (which admittedly were a helluva long time ago now) recording shows to vhs for personal use is legal in the UK. I can only remember the US case that set this precedent (Universal City Studios vs Sony aka the Betamax Case) but there's a similar UK case that covers us too.

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Handing down its decision in October 1979, the U.S. District Court ruled in favor of Sony, stating that taping off air for entertainment or time shifting constituted fair use; that copying an entire program also qualified as fair use; that set manufacturers could profit from the sale of VCRs; and that the plaintiffs did not prove that any of the above practices constituted economic harm to the motion picture industry.
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Although the U.S. Court of Appeals reversed the lower court's decision in October 1981, the decision, if it were to stand, would have been impossible to enforce. The home video market had been expanded enormously since the start of the case; VCR sales had increased from 30,000 sets a year in 1976 to 1,400,000 a year in 1981.
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The Betamax case went all the way to the Supreme Court, which reversed the appeals court decision on 17 January 1984.

Raistlin · 08-05-2005, 19:11

Recording shows for personal use is legal.

Sharing them (or acquiring copies which you personally have not recorded) via the internet, is not.