07-05-2005, 10:31
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Re: NTL Spam detection
I really don't think that NTL should be blocking SPAM at their end.
How do I know that they aren't blocking legitimate messages that I would want to receive?
Leave it to the user to sort their own SPAM out, or better still educate them about why they're receiving so much SPAM.
The only emails that ever come to me are from companies whom I have given my email address to for that purpose. I never receive any unsolicited email.
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07-05-2005, 10:44
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The Invisible Woman
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Re: NTL Spam detection
I too only use my addy for specific places and online ordering..however I never signed up anywhere for cr@p about viagra and pornography.I also never signed up for the russian spam I'm currently getting.So who decided I should get all this email about it?
Drives me up the wall that despite all my care about ticking the right boxes I still get all this spam... 
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07-05-2005, 12:11
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Re: NTL Spam detection
Incognitas: if you're email address is a dictionary word or in firstname.lastname format you're almost guaranteed to get spam eventually since they can simply guess it. Also publishing your email address anywhere (on a webpage or newsgroups) means it can be harvested, and these days simply having your email address in someone's else's mailbox can be a risk if they contract a virus since some of these now harvest email addresses.
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07-05-2005, 12:52
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Re: NTL Spam detection
Two of my email addresses are in the format FirstName.LastName @ ntlworld.com and I've never had any problems.
I think that's largely to do with the fact that they don't get posted on the net anywhere.
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07-05-2005, 16:49
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Re: NTL Spam detection
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Originally Posted by simbr
Incognitas: if you're email address is a dictionary word or in firstname.lastname format you're almost guaranteed to get spam eventually since they can simply guess it. Also publishing your email address anywhere (on a webpage or newsgroups) means it can be harvested, and these days simply having your email address in someone's else's mailbox can be a risk if they contract a virus since some of these now harvest email addresses.
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LOL, trust me, Incognitas already knows this 
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Originally Posted by Raistlin
I really don't think that NTL should be blocking SPAM at their end.
How do I know that they aren't blocking legitimate messages that I would want to receive?
Leave it to the user to sort their own SPAM out, or better still educate them about why they're receiving so much SPAM.
The only emails that ever come to me are from companies whom I have given my email address to for that purpose. I never receive any unsolicited email.
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The introduction of Brightmail onto the ntl anti spam platform should give the end user the option to decide how ntl deals with spam. This will prove usefull, as I'd rather trust my firebird program than ntl to tell me what's spam and what isn't.
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07-05-2005, 17:57
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The Invisible Woman
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Re: NTL Spam detection
I don't think that Incognitas is a dictionary word.Well not in any common
ones.I have NEVER used the first name last name option either because I always thought that was disasterous.Besides it's hardly the epitome of imagination.. 
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09-05-2005, 01:41
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Re: NTL Spam detection
In the past I've requested my provider not filter or at the very least not filter as heavy and then use Spam Bully http://www.spambully.com or spam bays on my computer so i can decide for myself
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10-05-2005, 19:15
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Re: NTL Spam detection
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Originally Posted by scastle
I believe that NTL's anti spam system is currently still "learning" how to identify spam (basically, it's in a mode where it analyses mail to look for possible spam identifiers - known IPs spam is sent from, bulk mailing etc), so, at the moment, is not identifying as much spam as it will do.
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The first part of the above is completey wrong, the second part is kind of right.If you look at this http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/158/ntl-deploys-advanced-openwave-spam-and-virus-protection you will see reference to Gxedge , this is a Spam blocking system not spam filtering.
Spam blocking works from blocklists like spamhouse and does not allow the identified spam mail onto the mail platform in the first place, so it cannot be analyzed.Block lists are lists of known bad i.p.s domaints etc
The second NTL phase of using Britemail is the spam filtering which works on mail that has got onto the platform and it is that that will look at content spam signatures etc
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