Designer babies Lords give thumbs up

[Raistlin]

There are other problems associated with creating children to specifically match the needs of another.

Assuming that we're talking about genetic modification then we need to recognise the very real threat that is, Diahorrea.

After all.....that runs in your genes..........

[danielf]

diarrhoea must be the most difficult word in the English language (spelling wise)

[Flubflow]

Well, that about wraps this discussion up then.
From designer babies to diarrhoea.

[Ramrod]

It's all very well sitting here pontificating about God, nature and possible consequences.............have a look at these pics, he doesn't have the luxury of armchair debate, it's life or death for him............

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

It's all very well sitting here pontificating about God, nature and possible consequences.............have a look at these pics, he doesn't have the luxury of armchair debate, it's life or death for him............

exactly

Originally Posted by Incognitas

What will it be like if we go further along this road to cloned individuals?

Firstly we're not talking about cloned individuals, indeed in cases like this cloning would be completely pointless.

Secondly I think that the idea that there's some billionaire out there who would create a clone of themselves and either use it for spare parts or somehow transplant their brain into it to get a new lease on life is more the purview of (rather bad) science fiction than massive concern for the rest of us.

What certain legalities will there be for cloned people?

Why should the legalities for a clone be any different from those for a baby selected to provide a transplant for a sibling?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Graham

Why should the legalities for a clone be any different from those for a baby selected to provide a transplant for a sibling?

Or an identical twin for that matter, after all, they're clones too!



Incog, think about this deeply, and take into account the cash strapped NHS, where many couples who are unable to have children naturally only get one or two chances with IVF because it is so expensive.
Do you really think that they don't make sure that the parents want the second child anyway?

[allieyoung666]

HANG ON, I am a twin I am supposed to be identical but she looks nothing like me!!!
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Originally Posted by Xaccers

I take it your son hasn't had any vaccines, never been given antibiotics, wouldn't be given treatment if they had cancer etc?

Erm yes my sons have had all their vaccines, my mother in law and my eldest brother are both fighting cancer, antibiotics no because your body eventually rejects them, and I have seen this happen many a time. And I am a catholic. And you are playing with genes, just proves that some people do not know what the heck they are talking about.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

HANG ON, I am a twin I am supposed to be identical but she looks nothing like me!!!

I do hope you're joking...

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

Erm yes my sons have had all their vaccines, my mother in law and my eldest brother are both fighting cancer, antibiotics no because your body eventually rejects them, and I have seen this happen many a time. And I am a catholic. And you are playing with genes, just proves that some people do not know what the heck they are talking about.

No genetic manipulation is being performed in this proceedure.

And you said:

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

I am sorry but if that is what god chooses for your child then so be it, I have a son who has an emotional disorder, but it does not mean I will play god with him, it is a crime against humanity. What did they do years ago when there wasnt things such as gene research? They got on with it, so I am sorry we have to as well.

Yet you have given them vacines against illnesses, but surely if god chooses for them to get infected, without human intervention/treatment they could die, but you have intervined, your sons won't cut their finger on a rusty nail and die of lockjaw, you've treated them so they are immune, so does that mean you too have gone against what god chooses for them?

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

HANG ON, I am a twin I am supposed to be identical but she looks nothing like me!!!

And you were born two years apart...!

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

I am sorry but if that is what god chooses for your child then so be it, I have a son who has an emotional disorder, but it does not mean I will play god with him, it is a crime against humanity. What did they do years ago when there wasnt things such as gene research? They got on with it, so I am sorry we have to as well.

They also died from the common cold years ago, times change.
And we dont all believe in your god, or god at all for that matter so your going to have to come up with a better arguement then that. Your beliefs are not enough to force someone not to do something. If you could come up with a good reason that actually relies on facts then that can help move the discussion forward.

[Salu]

Originally Posted by Graham

What he said!

I would have written all this but Xaccers beat me to it.

A slight aside but whenever there is a debate about morals I seem to always see your name against taking a moral stance and leaning towards ultra permissive. Is there anything that you feel is morally wrong (without getting into a debate about the meaning of the phrase)?

Or are you morally "flaccid"?

I hope this doesn't come across as incisive. I am just interested.....

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Salu

A slight aside but whenever there is a debate about morals I seem to always see your name against taking a moral stance and leaning towards ultra permissive. Is there anything that you feel is morally wrong (without getting into a debate about the meaning of the phrase)?

Or are you morally "flaccid"?

I hope this doesn't come across as incisive. I am just interested.....

Check the civil liberties thread in lifestyle

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

Erm yes my sons have had all their vaccines, my mother in law and my eldest brother are both fighting cancer, antibiotics no because your body eventually rejects them, and I have seen this happen many a time. And I am a catholic. And you are playing with genes, just proves that some people do not know what the heck they are talking about.

So how do you come to the conclusion that some medical interventions are acceptable whereas others are not?

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Or an identical twin for that matter, after all, they're clones too!



Incog, think about this deeply, and take into account the cash strapped NHS, where many couples who are unable to have children naturally only get one or two chances with IVF because it is so expensive.
Do you really think that they don't make sure that the parents want the second child anyway?

What makes you even suspect that I don't think about this deeply?Possibly because my opinion is different to yours?I've probably thought about it more deeply than you...Yes we could look just at alllowing this for one small narrow section of society.The problem is that each time we make an allowance for one group there is another group just behind them wanting the same consideration.Before you know it the door is swinging off it's hinges.

But of course sentiment will always cloud the issues.How can we ignore small children.Then it will be how can we ignore the plight of the old.

I'm not for a total ban,just a pause while we really consider our options and I don't want us taking ourselves in a certain direction because all we can see is the emotional need.

And yes we don't have cloning..YET! But one day we will and what will we be thinking and doing about it.I wonder what people would make of identity if true cloning took place? And just how far do we want to go with genetic manipulation?Where do we draw a line? Will we draw a line?