YAFT (yet another firefox thread) - dedicated to RichardM

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

I like the sig by the way, I might try that command out

I'd strongly suggest you don't do it on a mission critical box
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Originally Posted by s1lv3r

"Janulaitis cautioned that Firefox's reputation for security would likely be eroded as the browser becomes more widely used and hackers increase their attacks"

likely is different to definately

I think that it's an inevitibility that FF will be more under attack as time goes on.
However, I'd rather have a standards compliant swiss cheese than a bloated corporate beast swiss cheese.

No browser will be "secure" as such, at the moment though FF is the best of the bunch.

Bloated? In what way? As a browser it uses no more memory than firefox and looking at my program files/internet explorer folder, takes up 1.21mb of disk space.

[Richard M]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Bloated? In what way? As a browser it uses no more memory than firefox and looking at my program files/internet explorer folder, takes up 1.21mb of disk space.

Now that would be because the rest is built into Windows.
(c:/windows/system32/mshtml.dll for example)

Originally Posted by Bifta

Bloated? In what way? As a browser it uses no more memory than firefox and looking at my program files/internet explorer folder, takes up 1.21mb of disk space.

Presumably because great chunks of IE masquerade as system processes or something? Not that I'm any expert, but haven't I read that somewhere?
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Hey, I was right

Thanks Richard.

OK, why do people keep saying IE is so "insecure"? Avant runs off the Trident engine, which also IE runs off. But, Avant has given me no spyware whats so ever and I have had no problems with these so called "security risks".

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Richard M

Now that would be because the rest is built into Windows.
(c:/windows/system32/mshtml.dll for example)

All 2.8mb of it

Here's IE and Firefox, one window open on each, both google.co.uk

[danielf]

The download of Explorer for Max OS X is 6.7 MB, Firefox is 8.6...

Edit: that is Explorer 5 though...

[basa]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

.................No browser will be "secure" as such, at the moment though FF is the best of the bunch.

Ahem <cough> Opera ???

[Richard M]

Actually the total size of IE6 is 76.74MB, Firefox is 4.7MB.

Proof:
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/6.0

Firefox 1.0.3 for Windows, English (British) (4.7MB)

http://www.mozilla.org/

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by Richard M

Actually the total size of IE6 is 76.74MB, Firefox is 4.7MB.

Proof:
http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/6.0

http://www.mozilla.org/

Most of that is probably system files being updated that you'd be running in the background regardless of what browser you're using, look at the task manager screenshot I posted, IE uses less memory than Firefox, FACT.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Richard M

Actually the total size of IE6 is 76.74MB, Firefox is 4.7MB.

Opera (without Java) is 3.8 meg. And it doesn't require extensions to make it usable (apart from Java for some sites).

[philip.j.fry]

A bigger executable can mean faster execution, though I'm not saying whether that is true or not for firefox. Maybe I'll just start using Konqueror.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Most of that is probably system files being updated that you'd be running in the background regardless of what browser you're using, look at the task manager screenshot I posted, IE uses less memory than Firefox, FACT.

You'd have to concede though, that IE has more of an advantage in that a lot of its files are used by XP itself so as a stand-alone process, it doesn't need to load as much.

Firefox has practically nil integration with the OS itself so needs to load all its components... which takes time and RAM.

Not saying whether or not it's an advantage- in any case this is practically a duplicate argument.

BTW Bifta... your screenshot has just made me change XP to olive green as well. Can't stand the bloo and I was getting bored of the silver, so I dunno where I'll go next... probably back to silver...

[bmxbandit]

Originally Posted by Bifta

Most of that is probably system files being updated that you'd be running in the background regardless of what browser you're using, look at the task manager screenshot I posted, IE uses less memory than Firefox, FACT.

not fact. go into windows explorer (without ie running) and go to google by typing it in the address bar. on my system, explorer only grabs another 4 meg or ram...

i don't know how much ram ie actually uses, i can't say for sure if its more or less tha firefox, but it's just not that simple

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry

A bigger executable can mean faster execution.

on what planet?

You get faster execution if code is efficient, the smaller the better.

If you can pre-load your executable in memory before someone uses it, then it can artificially shorten load times yet still be a big slug of an application (*cough* acrobat reader *cough*)

Oh goody, another FF v IE flame war.