Black boxes for all cars - Page 5

Lord Nikon · 28-08-2003, 14:41

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Originally posted by dellwear
If your over taking a slow moving vehicle why would you go over the limit?

Umm... because in the highway code it states that when overtaking you should do so as quickly and safely as possible?

ntluser · 28-08-2003, 15:10

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Originally posted by Lord Nikon
Umm... because in the highway code it states that when overtaking you should do so as quickly and safely as possible?

I think he is asking why you would have to go over the limit to overtake a slow-moving car.

For example, on a well-lit road where the National Speed Limit applies one driver might only be driving at 45mph. In which case, you might have to drive at 50mph to overtake it safely and quickly.

If you have to exceed the limit and go at 70mph to overtake a slow-moving car, it's not a slow moving car!! And there's probably no reason to overtake it anyway as it's probably going fast enough.

Lord Nikon · 28-08-2003, 15:20

And sometimes when the road appears clear, t is preferable to get past the vehicle...

Especially when you pull out to overtake, get alongside the vehicle, and they decide to accelerate with you. The car behind has moved up and filled your space, and you find yourself on the wrong side of the road, albeit in a place where you can legally overtake, approaching the speed limit towards a corner, with nowhere to go.

**Chris** · 28-08-2003, 15:37

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Originally posted by ntluser
I think he is asking why you would have to go over the limit to overtake a slow-moving car.

For example, on a well-lit road where the National Speed Limit applies one driver might only be driving at 45mph. In which case, you might have to drive at 50mph to overtake it safely and quickly.

If you have to exceed the limit and go at 70mph to overtake a slow-moving car, it's not a slow moving car!! And there's probably no reason to overtake it anyway as it's probably going fast enough.

Almost every day on the M1 I sit behind someone in the outside lane waiting to get past, waiting for them to realise there is nothing for them to overtake and they should pull into the middle lane ... only to find when they do pull over, they speed up. I have frequently found myself accellerating well over the speed limit in order to complete an overtaking manoeuvre as quickly as possible.

Speed is not itself the problem on our roads ... inappropriate use of speed is the problem.

keithwalton · 28-08-2003, 18:14

well well well i wonder if this is related to the incident mentioned in my post earlier in this thread where the police didnt bother taking any info.

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/hampshire...EWS_NEWS4.html

Note link might change should be titled Man quizzed in rape probe

K

cjmillsnun · 28-08-2003, 19:54

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Originally posted by dellwear
I'm sure you wouldn't get a letter through the door for 30 seconds just over the limit.

Wanna Bet?? you could be speeding for all of 5 seconds and get done by a Gatso!

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Even if you did, you would still be able to appeal.

and who would the witness be?? - apathy means that people don't want to be witnesses.

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Maybe there is something wrong with me but am I the only one that can see the good in "black boxes", "chipped passports", and "ID cards"???

1984 has a lot to answer for.

I can see good and bad, the problem is that the government would see it as an easy source of revenue, just as speed cameras are.

Shaun · 01-09-2003, 22:29

With regards to speeding, the link below makes VERY interesting reading, I'll let you make your own minds up.

Statistics:
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/pic...,,85810,00.gif

Related article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...799810,00.html

**Chris** · 02-09-2003, 09:34

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Originally posted by dellwear
With regards to speeding, the link below makes VERY interesting reading, I'll let you make your own minds up.

Statistics:
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/pic...,,85810,00.gif

Related article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspap...799810,00.html

In areas with an established road safety problem, there is no doubt that a well-placed and highly visible speed camera can make that section of road safer. I'm not sure anyone was arguing otherwise.

The problems, as I see them, are:

1. For years, cameras were battleship grey and often hidden behind trees/signposts. This sat very uneasily with claims that they were 'safety' cameras. If their aim was deterrent, they ought to have been visible in order to deter, not hidden in order to catch out. This has now changed but in PR terms, the damage is done. The cameras' reputation is one of covert revenue-generating device. The blame for this lies at the doors of the police, local councils and, for not putting its foot down sooner, the Government.

2. Speed limit policy in the UK is muddled to say the least. Traffic police are generally agreed that motorway speed limits should generally be 80mph but the Government is resisting this - not on road safety grounds but for environmental reasons, due to increased fuel consumption at this speed. Thus we have a situation where you will not get pulled over for doing 80mph or less, even if you pass a patrol car, and even though you are technically breaking the law. Human police officers are capable of judging road conditions and establish whether someone is driving safely at this speed or if conditions demand caution. A set of roadside sensors would simply record an average speed in excess of the limiit and blindly issue a fine.

On rural roads the situation is equally muddled. It is not unheard of for a council to reduce the speed limit to 30 as a road passes through a village, but then not to increase it again on the way out. The reason? Because there's another village 2 miles up the road where the speed limit needs to be reduced again, and the council doesn't want the hassle and expense of changing the limit up and down again. It's hardly surprising then that drivers often find speed limits unreasonable and learn to hold them in contempt.

To sum all this up, the enforcement of speed limits in this country faces a major PR problem. Existing laws are passed and enforced in an apparently random fashion, bringing the laws into disrepute. And disreputable laws are bad laws as people just don't follow them. It's fine for the chief constable of North Wales to talk about making speeding as socially unacceptable as drink driving, but first he has to get people to understand that the law is reasonable, and is being applied and enforced fairly. He might find this approach to be even more effective than his camera campaign.

To relate this back to the black box in cars issue, I'm still opposed to that, not because of its aim to check my speed but because I do not accept that the State has the right to monitor and record every move its citizens make, except perhaps in dire national emergencies.

mnorris · 03-09-2004, 13:03

I am writing in response to Black Boxs In Cars,. I find this very appealing
I welcome the opportunity to discuss this in more detail would be available
for through any means possible at anytime.

Bring the steet lights online change the heads of the lamps so they can SCAN
AND SHED SUM LIGHT fit black boxes into cars 3 quarters of the box will be
ssh hub the other quarter will be for the M.O.T TESTER HE/SHE WILL HAVE a
hand held computer to interact with black box NOW YOU HAVE GOVERNMENT IN
CARS Electronic driving card that slips into a small box under the dash
board Mod Edit (Chris T) Obscene remarks removed the small box will be connected to the BLACK BOX THAT IS FITED
IN THE BOOT OF YOUR CAR WHEN YOU STEP into your Mod Edit (Chris T) Obscene remarks removed car you
slip your SUPREME ELECTRONIC DRIVING CARD in the slot you then eye ball
finger no no no you finger print now IGNITION ON ITS go go go YOU will have
a microchip windscreen that will be connected to the black box,,,,,,,now
part of you windoz screen is a monitor as you drive unthe lamps and it works
out that you are speeding a popup window an the left hand side or your cars
windoz screen will advise you to slow down if you ignore it a policetraffic
division will popup and he/she will tell YOU TO SLOW DOWN if you ignore you
will be awarded with 2 ponts on your driving card IE YOUR CARD AND YOU AND
YOUR CAR WILL BE ON LINE END OFF ..............

edit: spamming section removed (Paul).

gazzae · 03-09-2004, 13:05

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Originally Posted by mnorris

I am writing in response to Black Boxs In Cars,. I find this very appealing......

WTF?

**Mick** · 03-09-2004, 13:15

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Originally Posted by mnorris

Snip

Are you spamming us by any chance because if so, you have a very bizarre method.

danielf · 03-09-2004, 13:16

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Originally Posted by gazzae

WTF?

That's putting it mildly

BTW a Google for that phone number brings up two hits to an identical post on another forum, and two for someone in SE19 wanting to buy a bike...

Julian · 03-09-2004, 13:19

Hi mnorris and welcome to cableforum.

Interesting first post that.... I can't see the waitress at the drive in idea taking off tho'

mnorris · 03-09-2004, 13:21

If you are going to do a google search then do it right

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=ma...-8&sa=N&tab=wg

mnorris · 03-09-2004, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Julian

Hi mnorris and welcome to cableforum.

Interesting first post that.... I can't see the waitress at the drive in idea taking off tho'

Thanks