Aussies give us our rubbish back

[slug]

He is not coming back now.
More charges have been made in Austrialia.

[me283]

Originally Posted by Paul

Again a good point, we would do exactly the same in their case.. well we would if the EU or the Court of Human Rights would allow us to. Some people seem to forget just how this country got rid of it's criminals a long time ago Didn't we send them somewhere??

The death penalty may look like the ultimate deterrent to some but as the stats show, it doesn't always work. This has a lot to do with criminals still believing that they can escape detection and therefor they won't have to face the penalty for their crimes. If the detection rate for all crimes were around the 90% mark a lot less people would risk commiting a crime in the first place.

Agreed on both these points. This country would accept people, regardless of their backgrounds; if they commit crimes, there is no chance of them being deported, before or after punishment.

Nothing will ALWAYS work, but for a persistent offender such as this guy the death penalty would ensure he could never harm anyone again. By the sound of it he isn't even safe in prison. But I agree that a lot of criminals know that either detection is ridiculously poor, or "punishment" is so pathetic, that crime really isn't something to shy away from.

[Ramrod]

Every time this evil piece of sh*t has been released he has re-offended. I say they should shoot him

[allieyoung666]

What have I told you, once a peado always a peado!!!

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by scastle

I mean to solve the problem BEFORE IT OCCURS.

Thats impossible

I have to stop this. The abbreviation is paedo, as in paedophile and (don't tell News of the World readers there's a difference), paediatrician.

[allieyoung666]

It can mean either and I dont read the news of the world, I read the indpendent!

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

It can mean either and I dont read the news of the world, I read the indpendent!

Hang on, a paedophile and a paediatrician are the same thing? Or your worldly experience in the NHS means you know paedophile paediatricians?

You read the Independent, I'm the local BNP organiser

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by andyl

You read the Independent, I'm the local BNP organiser

Ooops!

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by Damien

What does bleeding hearts mean?Its a stupid phrase.

This is what a posted a couple of months back, this is why i dont like the death penality:

I am against capital punishement.

In the states capital punishment has been shown to be a weak deterrent. The risk of death has no effect on the person who is about to commit the crime. Here is some evidence of that:

States with Capital punishment VS those without
This graph shows the murder rate in states with the death penality and without. Those with it actually have HIGHER rates of murder (link)

Nations with Capital punishment (United states) VS those without
Again, America has the death penality but still they have much higher rates of murder (remember this is based on average not on the amount of people). While i dont think capital punishment increase crime i dont think it reduces it either. This graphs shows it has no effect.

Moving on....The sort of mind-set you would need to be in, to commit the serious and appalling crimes that capital punishment could be used for, would mean they are not going to think of their punishment logically. These are crimes were the person is either mentally unbalanced, emotional, or desperate. Even if they were perfectly sane then they would think they could get away with it anyway. So capital punishment is not effective in reducing crime.

As for prisons being too full then capital punishment is not effective. Very few people are in prison for this type of crime. Serial killers and the worst murders do not make up a large number of the prison population. Most of it is made up of other crimes such as robbery, assault, and crimes linked to drugs etc. So the death penalty will not reduce overcrowding (even if it did, killing people to make space is a stupid idea anyway!!)

Thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s before we even get into the difficulties involved with deciding what should be considered a death penalty. Murder? Well murder isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t always clear cut, its not a case of someone kills someone in cold blood and thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s that! There was one case where a man had come home to his wife and she told him she was cheating on him. She then continued to boost about this and tell him that she never loved him, and that he was a joke. She continues bragging, insulting him and saying it had gone on since before they were married. He lashed out and the resultant blow was enough to kill her. He didnââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t get manslaughter and got charged with murder instead. Should that be enough?

What about someone whose need for drugs has over-powered any sort of logical thinking and he steals to get money for drugs? The victim attempts to stop him and he attacks the victim. Leading to that personââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s death? Should that be enough?

Hit and run? Murder out of anger, emotion or desperation? Quite young? Mentally unbalanced? Where do you draw the line?

Capital punishment does not act as a way to reduce crime, reduce prison levels, or keep the public safer. There will always be a case of one or two wrong convictions so it doesnââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t do much for justice either.

Is this nothing more than satisfying the human urge for revenge? And if it is, isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t that an awful way to deal with justice? Justice should always been fair and balanced and never should the emotion of a case get in the way

Finally it is far better to let that person sit in a cell for the rest of his life and live with his own conscience than to put him out of his misery quickly

Sorry but that can be dismissed here as that only relates to stats for capital punishment and that is not the punishment for the crime being discussed here.

Originally Posted by goldoni

I have a nice pipe cutter that would sort the problem, but that would go against his human rights.

Originally Posted by goldoni

I would not advocate hitting them with my pipe cutter, far from it. Smacking seven bells out of somebody is reserved for people that break into my house. For serial paedophiles the snip is the only answer, if they donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have the tackle.

But living in the real world I know this is not the answer, but it would be nice if the problem could be sorted before it happens.

Agreed but I quite like the pipe cutting idea.

Originally Posted by slug

He is not coming back now.
More charges have been made in Austrialia.

Good.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Every time this evil piece of sh*t has been released he has re-offended. I say they should shoot him

or think of a more slow painful death method.

Originally Posted by gary_580

basically your all calling for the death penalty???

I would

[me283]

OK, this has changed slightly from the original thread topic of repatriation of criminals.

So, for the record, let me make a supposition: today's "average" criminal knows he has little chance of being caught, little chance of being severely punished, little chance of having to fully complete his "punishment, and a small chance of claiming some form of compensation or breach of his human rights. Little incentive then to not be a criminal.

Do you think he might have the same approach if there were a) more police b) stronger punishment c) no early release d) removal of a criminal's rights to compensation, or reduced "rights"?

It's called deterrent. Call it a cost/benefit exercise if you like. But the way to stop ANY criminal is not to hope that they suddenly turn into "nice" people, it is to show them that if they offend, they will SUFFER. That could be anything from loss of liberty, to loss of life.

[Xaccers]

An increase in the percieved chance of being caught works as the best detterrant.
Most people break the laws because they think they will get away with it.
Next as a detterant comes sentancing, if they're given a slap on the wrist then they're more likely to think "hey if I get caught then it's not like anything is actually going to happen to me"
Then punishment, if they get put in prison, it should be set up to be a detterent for further offending, not just somewhere to house criminals.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats impossible

My point is in cases like this, surely it's better to prevent people from offending in the first place? Whatever is done to the paedophile after the event will not help the damage done to the victims.

Originally Posted by scastle

My point is in cases like this, surely it's better to prevent people from offending in the first place? Whatever is done to the paedophile after the event will not help the damage done to the victims.

Ah, but then you can't satisfy vengeful blood lust!