Aussies give us our rubbish back

Originally Posted by Halcyon

He may have done the time in prison but that doesnt mean his mind will have changed. IMO, Sexual feelings are imprinted in our brains. Its not like they can be changed. So as soon as he sees some little kid, his feelings are bound to come rushing back to him and who knows what will happen.
I cant really see how his sexual outlook on life could have changed through being in jail.
I'd be very worried if he lived near me, even if he has been in jail.

No, I agree. I have the same belif that it is a problem that is in the mind and that jail, if anything, only makes the problem worse. I have long said that once someone is convicted of such a crime they go into treatment once they have completed there treatment they go back to jail to serve out the reminder of there time (or if they are not treated by the end of there jail term they have to stay until they are).

But to topic though, he has served his time and like it or not, we cant throw him back

[allieyoung666]

I read a paper when I was at uni on this subject and you are so right their minds never alter as it is programmed from an early age as is sexual preferences, there is something in the brain such as a pleasure repceptor, which is stimulated such as when you are have sex or you are attracted to another person, it cannot be altered not even ECT would work. SO this guy will offend and offend again you can be sure of that.
And I do think the death penalty should be reintroduced, as how would you like your kiddie to be fiddled with by a strange man. I will leave you with that thought!!!!!

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

And I do think the death penalty should be reintroduced, as how would you like your kiddie to be fiddled with by a strange man. I will leave you with that thought!!!!!

Recently an innocent disabled man was given the death penalty by an angry mob who believed he was a paedophile.
Whilst the UK had the death penalty, many innocent people were killed by the justice system.
That is why the death penalty is a bad thing, you cannot guarentee it won't kill innocent people.
Similar thing with castration (which as far as I know doesn't stop someone offending)

Incidently, the majority of child abuse cases involve family members, not strangers.

[allieyoung666]

But it is the only way, I mean if you did what he had done to other kids on him, he would probally enjoy it, people like this there is no getting though to these people as they cannot see what they are doing or what they have done is wrong. You would never get that instilled into their minds. We had one a while ago on the ward and he was talking about these kids and he could not see what he had done wrong. I felt sick all the time he was going on and on in the end I had to walk or I would have killed him.

[Halcyon]

The thing which really annoys me is how mass murderers, paedophiles, etc, (all of which have taken lives, and devastated many families lives) are getting let out of jail earlier and earlier.
Sorry to be slghtly going off topic, but a sentence served in prison is never wehat they say it is.
And life imprisonment is a complete joke. Life....more like 25 years, oops! I mean 10 as he or she was a great person in jail. Honestly !!!
Its all going wrong in this country.

[allieyoung666]

Does the goverment ever think of the families that are affected by such things as this, the goverment is all for the criminial and something has to be done!!

[punky]

I think it is totally right that Australia has the right to kick him out. Why should they put up with it?

I do think, that providing his trial was legitmate and recognised (in Australia, of course it is, but in some other countries, you can't be so certain), then we should 'honour' those terms, i.e. in this instance keep him on parole.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

The thing which really annoys me is how mass murderers, paedophiles, etc, (all of which have taken lives, and devastated many families lives) are getting let out of jail earlier and earlier.
Sorry to be slghtly going off topic, but a sentence served in prison is never wehat they say it is.
And life imprisonment is a complete joke. Life....more like 25 years, oops! I mean 10 as he or she was a great person in jail. Honestly !!!
Its all going wrong in this country.

Originally Posted by bbc

A British-born paedophile who has spent 37 years in jail in Australia for sex attacks is to be deported to the UK.

[BBKing]

And I do think the death penalty should be reintroduced, as how would you like your kiddie to be fiddled with by a strange man. I will leave you with that thought!!!!!

I see no evidence of thought at all - I wouldn't like my son to be fiddled with by anyone, but stringing them up is an idiotic, unthinking, primeval response that we should be beyond in this country. Try and use your brain for something more than holding up the top of your head, and *think* what the consequences would be:

1) Would you put to death parents who abuse their children (which is far more common than strangers)?
2) What about mothers who kill their children?
3) What about mothers who are wrongly convicted of killing their children?

Child abuse is wrong because it's a barbaric abuse of power. The death penalty is wrong because it's a barbaric abuse of power. I see no moral difference between a child abuser and a supporter of the death penalty.

[allieyoung666]

Is it really well they still go and do it in the middle east so go and tell them that , I am sure they will not agree with you.
What ever law the goverment brings out there is always a loop hole and a big one at that. Parents who abuse their children should be hung, who could hurt a fragile young child who has so much to learn from this world. The 3rd one Sir Roy Meadow has got a lot to answer for. I am sorry but this country is rapidly becoming a dumping ground and it needs to stop. Where we live we have just found out that there are 400 of these people living in our area. Sometimes I thing the death penalty is even to good for these people, but could you suggest a suitable punishment as prison is a holiday camp?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by allieyoung666

Sometimes I thing the death penalty is even to good for these people, but could you suggest a suitable punishment as prison is a holiday camp?

Actually, I occassionally help an ex-con, who now spends his life going round schools showing kids what prison is *really* like. I've seen the inside of a prison cell. It was a small room, about 6 foot by 5 foot. The only facilities were a couple of bunk beds and a rather unhygenic looking combined wash basin and toilet.

Oh, and a previous occupant had smeared what looked like **** over the walls, and it had dried in..

I didn't see the recreation facilities, but it certainly wasn't the holiday camp portrayed by the media.

Originally Posted by gary_580

basically your all calling for the death penalty???

I would, but then again my stance on common criminals, rapist, child abusers and murders is *harsh* to say the least.

Er, I may have made this point before but, as a father of two, I am far, far more frightened of idiot (and over confident) car drivers than I am paedophiles on the basis of both experience and statistical risk. It might be easier to hate somebody for their sexual perversions, but that doesn't impact on the actual risk of my children, your childreen being affected by them.

To read the papers you would think there was a child molester on every corner. There isn't. And as a previous poster said, most child abuse happens within the home.

Originally Posted by BBKing

I see no moral difference between a child abuser and a supporter of the death penalty.

Good to see that *reasoned* dabate, without insult is alive and well on the CF.

So in your mind, a states right to sanction the death penalty (and for people to support its use) for the most despicable crimes/criminals is as moral as an adult to sexually abuse a child.

Sorry BBKing, but no matter how I try to get my head around your thinking on this point, I just cant do it. In a perfect society, the threat of state sanctioned death would be long assigned to history the world over. But IMHO, until we (the human race) reach some new and enlightened state, where child abuse/murder/rape no longer exist, then there will be crimes that people feel can only be rewarded with *extreme punishments*.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by BBKing

I see no moral difference between a child abuser and a supporter of the death penalty.

I find your comment extremely insulting...........I hope it was written on the spur of the moment without much thought.....................