UK General Election 2005 - Page 11

paul11974 · 22-03-2005, 19:21

i have allways voted lib dems and never ever voted labour and now i know why.This election i will use a tactifull vote and vote conservatives to get rid of hot air blair and all his useless mp"s

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**Damien** · 22-03-2005, 19:25

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Originally Posted by paul11974

i have allways voted lib dems and never ever voted labour and now i know why.This election i will use a tactifull vote and vote conservatives to get rid of hot air blair and all his useless mp"s

Now you know why?

Howard is a prat in my opinion anyway. Hes only gains recently have been with the immigration issue and the travellers issue. He has relised how he will win this election and thats by attacking unpopular groups with unfair policys. The NHS issue didnt work, crime hasnt worked, so tabloid scaremongering is in order. I would rather have a goverment that makes unpopular discisions than one who will simply perform the most popular acts

paul11974 · 22-03-2005, 19:42

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Originally Posted by Damien

Now you know why?

Howard is a prat in my opinion anyway. Hes only gains recently have been with the immigration issue and the travellers issue. He has relised how he will win this election and thats by attacking unpopular groups with unfair policys. The NHS issue didnt work, crime hasnt worked, so tabloid scaremongering is in order. I would rather have a goverment that makes unpopular discisions than one who will simply perform the most popular acts

i would like a goverment that MAKES DECISIONS ............unlike labour who just sit back and take no action on the real issues also i would like to see real policmen and women on our streets and not community support officers that have to be the bigest waste of money since the poll tax

LABOUR OUT NOW

Tezcatlipoca · 22-03-2005, 19:49

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Originally Posted by paul11974

LABOUR OUT NOW

But replace them with what?

The Tories?!

Still a shambles, & still not much of an Opposition. And full of stupid reactionary tabloid policies.

Lib Dems?

Some very good policies...but also some stupid policies, & they just don't have the support to challenge Labour (or the Tories) seriously.

**Damien** · 22-03-2005, 19:53

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Originally Posted by paul11974

i would like a goverment that MAKES DECISIONS ............unlike labour who just sit back and take no action on the real issues also i would like to see real policmen and women on our streets and not community support officers that have to be the bigest waste of money since the poll tax

LABOUR OUT NOW

What on earth are you talking about!!? They make decisions, thats exactly what they have been doing! Thats why everyone is annoyed at them. Look back at the past two years of goverment nothing but decisions, loads of them and all of them risky!

Note: The election artists are on the move, found this on another forum

Tezcatlipoca · 22-03-2005, 20:03

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Originally Posted by Damien

They make decisions

Yeah, but lots of bloody stupid ones amongst the good ones.

Bad decisions (IMO)

The Iraq war (yes yes, I know many think it was right - but even if you agree it was right for us to go in, it was not handled properly, the aftermath was completely ballsed up, the intel was crap & they bloody knew it was & didn't care or mention, & it seems more & more likely that it was illegal afterall)

Tuition Fees (yes, the Deering Report recommended bringing in Tuition Fees - which Labour then implemented - but it also said Grants should not be scrapped - which Labour ignored)

Top-up fees

PPP for the Tube

All this PFI stuff (e.g. Jarvis & schools)

City Academies (stupid idea, & they're officially failing!)

Creeping privatisation of the NHS

All these NHS targets & the mad drive to artificially keep down waiting lists

"Choice" (screw choice, we want quality)

"House Arrest" et al

ID Cards

Super-casinos

Lack of Lords reform

and many more

Xaccers · 22-03-2005, 20:29

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Originally Posted by andyl

The poorest in society will be better off, the richest worse off under thse proposals. That is immediately more just than the existing and previous two systems. Those between rich and poor will be affected, but not as greatly. Me, I'd tax the very rich more and protect our beloved Middle England.

Those just above the poorest, lest call them the poor, will be worse off if they currently share a house and therefore share the council tax between them.
Imagine this, Adam, Ben, Carla, Debbie, Frank and Eve live in a house to share the costs, as they are poor.
They've picked a property with a low council tax to help reduce costs.

They pay 800 a month, which works out at about 133 each which they can just about afford.

Lib dem idea comes into play. (all figures are used to show the example)
Carla, Debbie and Eve earn less than Adam, Ben and Frank, and it turns out they end up having to pay only 100 a month each.
Adam, Ben and Frank however have to pay out 260 a month
So, Carla and Debbie are now 33 a month better off.
Poor Adam and Ben are 127 worse off each month, they were finding it hard enough to live before, but now they have to get an extra 127.
If they try and work more hours they'll earn more, but that means their local income tax bill will go up, and they'll have no time to relax.

Next door there's Barry, now he's one of the poorest people in the country, he's currently having to find 800 a month to pay his coucil tax, with the lib dem idea, he'll be much better off.

So yes, the poorest will be better off, but the poor won't

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Originally Posted by Damien

Howard is a prat in my opinion anyway.

Well, if that's your opinion of someone who successfully reduced crime in this nation, then I dread to think what low opinion you have of labour then!

paul11974 · 22-03-2005, 20:52

im just off down the road to my local NHS DENTIST i might be back in 2 days it all depends on how long the que is ! and thats just to register for one ( THATS WHAT I CALL DECISIONS )

**Damien** · 22-03-2005, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Well, if that's your opinion of someone who successfully reduced crime in this nation, then I dread to think what low opinion you have of labour then!

Labour have reduced most crime, in fact crime as a whole is lower . It just that certain types of crime are up.

paul11974 · 22-03-2005, 21:14

Ask The Leader Of The Birmingham Police Force If Crime Is Down
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ohhhhh look there goes my local community support officer now what is his name ?

**Damien** · 22-03-2005, 21:15

Crime as a whole is down. That comment hardly reflects the whole country

Tezcatlipoca · 22-03-2005, 21:41

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Crime as a whole is down. That comment hardly reflects the whole country

What do they define as "crime"

Is it only reported crime numbers which have gone down?

What?

Statistics...pah. Don't believe them. Numbers get massaged. Same as unemployment figures (which Labour, & the Tories before them, always play with)

22-03-2005, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Diamond

Not sure which party to vote for?

This test will decide on a suitable one for you:

Then again, the test seems to be quite poor

Well, yes, it gave me Respect, the Greens, the Lib Dems and then Sinn Fein in fourth place!

A bit difficult since they're not fielding any candidates in England!!