Is this what you want?

[dilli-theclaw]

This is very remeniscant of the philosophy behind starship troopers.
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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

but maybe just the threat of it would be good enough

Ah now this I don't agree with (for a change ) because you don't do these things expecting to be caught. So I don't see these things as any kind of threat or dissuasion from comitting the crime.

But that's just what I think.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

This is very remeniscant of the philosophy behind starship troopers.
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Ah now this I don't agree with (for a change ) because you don't do these things expecting to be caught. So I don't see these things as any kind of threat or dissuasion from comitting the crime.

But that's just what I think.

i did say maybe

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

as i idly wonder what the crime rate is in iran , good enough for him i say , extreme but good enough for him , would i want it in this country , probably not , but maybe just the threat of it would be good enough

we need something like that here, prison isnt a deterent any more. Capital Punishment might be though. However youve always got the issue of mis justice. At the end of the day why should we have to pay to support these people

[STONEISLAND]

Originally Posted by gary_580

we need something like that here, prison isnt a deterent any more. Capital Punishment might be though. However youve always got the issue of mis justice. At the end of the day why should we have to pay to support these people

Well said

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

i did say maybe

And I SO wanted to violently disagree with you for a change too

[goldoni]

While I have posted a few string em up, itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s more of a frustration statement, as our judicial system does not work. Time and time again I hear of people coming forward and allege they were sexually abused as a child but the authorities just put them on a slow burner for investigation in hope the accused person will die of old age or the medical condition they purport to have.

But back to your question would I like my child to see this. Defiantly not, but that is their way of dealing with this person who snuffed out 20 plus young lives for his own sexual gratification.

[Escapee]

Some will probably be suprised that I disagree with the stabbing, but the lashing and hanging is fair punishment for the crime.

I guess Iran just has a policy to the other extreme, compared to the way we have gone in this country!

Originally Posted by Escapee

Some will probably be suprised that I disagree with the stabbing, but the lashing and hanging is fair punishment for the crime.

I guess Iran just has a policy to the other extreme, compared to the way we have gone in this country!

NB - The stabbing was not part of the punishment.

A relative of one of the victims broke police security and attacked Bijeh with a knife, wounding his back before police dragged him away.

They're obviously not unanimous on the subject either:

"Many criminals have been hanged, but offenses have never reduced. It's an ugly scene that a human being is hanged even if he has committed many crimes. Revenge is not the solution," said Merhraban, who watched the hanging.

Both quotes from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...p/iran_hanging

[Marge]

Thanks Russ, just tucked into my turkey salad butty as I read this

As a victim of crime recently I'm all for harsher punishments but this is way going over the top. Give him the lashings for sure but stabbing and then hanging is a nono in my book. Given the number of people that have been the victims of miscarriages of justice I can't see how we can justify capital punishment in any country, think I'll put Iran on my list of countries not to visit

[punky]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Yes. If his punishment is to be hanged, then why flog and stab him first. In fact, why did they stab him at all ?.

Those punishments (stabbing, and the woman slapping him, and putting the noose round his neck) are largely symbolic... To let help the victims' families achieve some kind of closure that they wouldn't feel if he went to a nice prison for the rest of his life. The lashes are just help deter people from it and make a bit of a public spectical of it all.

I'd like to think those kind of punishments would work, but I am not sure somehow... I mean people in Iran must know this is what will happen to them, yet they still think they can get away with it? What can you do really? Lashing the b*****d, sorry, convict, until he stops kicking might be one way, but although it might satistify some, i'm not sure it will deter anyone... What can you do really?

I do like the idea of the symbolic punishments though. We are all different, and while some here think they'd get over it with imprisonment, not everyone can deal with so easily.

I'm not a big fan of Iran....... but Yeaaaaah, slow hang that murdering pervert, but only after flogging him. None of this namby-pamby quick drop, broken neck you got in European hangings.

The taking of another's life - particularly in such a gruesome way - by the State cannot to my mind be justified. We just become animals too.

Oh really, well thanks very much from an ex-squaddie, who you consider to be an animal. It must be really nice to have other people willing to kill and die to keep you safe.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Oh really, well thanks very much from an ex-squaddie, who you consider to be an animal. It must be really nice to have other people willing to kill and die to keep you safe.

I'm sure in battle you have kill-or-be-killed situations. When people you are defending are threatened by death, you are authorised to kill. I'd consider that to be different from a nation or section of society who want someone executed that way when other possibilities are available.

Originally Posted by Russ D

I'm sure in battle you have kill-or-be-killed situations. When people you are defending are threatened by death, you are authorised to kill. I'd consider that to be different from a nation or section of society who want someone executed that way when other possibilities are available.

I was a sniper Russ, and snipers rarely do kill-or-be-killed stiuations. That sorta defeats the exercise of stalking your target, and taking one deliberate aimed killing shot. So in a way, to the uniniatated, sniping is rather like execution.

[Seti]

Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze

Oh really, well thanks very much from an ex-squaddie, who you consider to be an animal. It must be really nice to have other people willing to kill and die to keep you safe.

My man is in Iraq at the moment. Didnt' mention it before. I do not class him as an animal for defending himself or other Iraqies. I don't class the Iranians as animals either. However, I don't particularly approve of the punishment because I am viewing it from a Western set of morals, I am not an Iranian and hterefore not educated in their ways of dealing with crimes of this nature.

If we were to bring back hanging here I wonder how many would be actually hung. Anyone remember the Brady and Hindley trial (Moors Murders) ? Weren't they unworried becasue they knew hanging had just been outlawed by the state ? But haven't they both received a just punishment by having their liberties removed from them. Hindley died in prison and it looks as though Brady will too. Good enough for them because of the crimes they committed.

Having said that I can't see Britain adopting the IRanian way of dealing with criminals. They still cut your hands off there if you are caught stealing a handkerchief. The still stone both partries to death if you are caught in an adulterous relationship. ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul2.htm and also http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm (*WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO) and http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning4.htm )

I suppose thats why I see this punishment as extreme. If we are all purptedly members of the human race, why do some of us acts in extreme ways ?

Sian

My man is in Iraq at the moment. Didnt' mention it before. I do not class him as an animal for defending himself or other Iraqies

I hope he comes home to you safe and sound Sian, and I dont think hes an animal, believe me. I was out there for Gulf One, so I know what its like out there (or rather, have some idea what its like out there).

Anyone remember the Brady and Hindley trial (Moors Murders) ? Weren't they unworried becasue they knew hanging had just been outlawed by the state ? But haven't they both received a just punishment by having their liberties removed from them. Hindley died in prison and it looks as though Brady will too. Good enough for them because of the crimes they committed.

Personally I'd have rather see them hang for their crimes. That way we (the tax payers) wouldnt have had to pay to house, feed and cloth these two *animals* for the last 40ish years.