*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please. - Page 94

chilin_dude · 13-03-2005, 20:39

Very true, most of people in this thread are illegall'y downloading, however not neccessarily through P2P (usenet is easily the best.)
However the fact is that many people pay for the service for this reason, and in the long run a lot of people downloading songs benefit the record companies, I've downloaded lots of songs then bought their albums because I enjoyed it. Or gone to see someone in concert after illegally copying their cd..

**Paul** · 13-03-2005, 20:40

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Originally Posted by dezzo

Yep 8Mb if the local exchange is situated at the bottom of your garden

Yes, and even then you won't actually get 8mb most of the time. Very few servers on the internet could sustain an 8meg download for more than 1 or 2 people at a time, and then there is all the network between you and the remote server. As an obvious example - those of you on 3meg links are not getting that speed from the Cable Forum Server (which is based in the USA) I have been testing it today and the best I can get is 2meg.

Florence · 13-03-2005, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Paul M

Yes, and even then you won't actually get 8mb most of the time. Very few servers on the internet could sustain an 8meg download for more than 1 or 2 people at a time, and then there is all the network between you and the remote server. As an obvious example - those of you on 3meg links are not getting that speed from the Cable Forum Server (which is based in the USA) I have been testing it today and the best I can get is 2meg.

What connection speed was you testing it with Paul M

BarFly · 13-03-2005, 20:43

not wanting to get into the whole good & bad side of the caps, but didnt an official body describe BB as atleast a 256 connection & always on......( something to do with the way it was being adviertised & the need to upgrade the lowest tier to 300k )

so would that mean NTL could only downgrade somebodies service to 256kbps,should they hit the cap & not have or want the option of buying extra GB's as anything below that would not be classified as broadband, though this should apply to all ISP's not just NTL....

Just a thought for discussion.....

**Paul** · 13-03-2005, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Kits

What connection speed was you testing it with Paul M

A 3 meg connection of course.

Paul K · 13-03-2005, 20:46

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Originally Posted by BarFly

not wanting to get into the whole good & bad side of the caps, but didnt an official body describe BB as atleast a 256 connection & always on......( something to do with the way it was being adviertised & the need to upgrade the lowest tier to 300k )

so would that mean NTL could only downgrade somebodies service to 256kbps,should they hit the cap & not have or want the option of buying extra GB's as anything below that would not be classified as broadband, though this should apply to all ISP's not just NTL....

Just a thought for discussion.....

I think that's only a viable chain of thought if the person using the service doesn't breach the contract or T&C of the service that they signed up to and agreed to honour when they took the service.

big_ba*tard · 13-03-2005, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Paul M

There is no 4M ntl service. Having read your posts again I am convinced that not only have you have signed up with a provocative name - you appear to be here purely to spout rubbish and inflame this topic. If you have something sensible to say then please say it, otherwise you will be taking an early bath.

I know there is no ntl 4mb service where did i say there was?

Florence · 13-03-2005, 20:50

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Originally Posted by big_ba*tard

We do pay extra for what we want 1mb ,2mb,3mb or 4mb in some areas

there

BarFly · 13-03-2005, 20:51

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Originally Posted by Paul

I think that's only a viable chain of thought if the person using the service doesn't breach the contract or T&C of the service that they signed up to and agreed to honour when they took the service.

but by reaching a cap do u breach the T&C's or contract.....going over the cap would, reaching & being downgraded wouldnt, as you are complying with there request to moderate usage....

big_ba*tard · 13-03-2005, 20:52

Im talking about all isp's not just ntl

13-03-2005, 20:52

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Originally Posted by big_ba*tard

Let's not get onto ntl to much they struggle to keep a good e-mail service going let alone anything else.
But why offer faster bb if they can not handle it?
Now adsl will be 8mb later this year with no limits and there is no way ntl or tw can not afford to keep up.
So you will have to up your speeds but then you will have to cap even more because you can not cope with moderate downloader on a 3mb connection.
Which i will say and continue to say is rubbish as you are setting out charging for the extra gb's downloaded which would by peoples posts on here effect there downloads.
So would ntl etc then have to pay other broadband users for the bad speeds they get because others are paying by the gb for going over there cap?

So you havent got a clue, your just a troll who found his way from under the bridge. Well i will not be feeding you anymore, I have far better things to do on a sunday night.

Now where is that ignore button

Paul K · 13-03-2005, 20:53

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Originally Posted by BarFly

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Originally Posted by Paul

I think that's only a viable chain of thought if the person using the service doesn't breach the contract or T&C of the service that they signed up to and agreed to honour when they took the service.

but by reaching a cap do u breach the T&C's or contract.....going over the cap would, reaching & being downgraded wouldnt, as you are complying with there request to moderate usage....

You would be downgraded for breaching the new Usage policy attached to your contracted service. If you just achieve the cap limit and then stop your usage then I expect that you would be ok but then how many people would hit the cap exeactly and stop?

From what I have read NTL will only downgrade peoples tier levels if they consistantly breach the cap by a large margin.

Carth · 13-03-2005, 20:55

Imaginary scenario ... as understood from most related posts

* 3 users on the same UBR as me download anything they can 24/7, which causes me problems.
* NTL twigs they're power users and charges them extra for exceeding the cap.
* I still have degenerated sevice, power users still download 24/7, NTL generate income.
*I still have bad service

The only way my service would improve is if the power users were dropped to a low tier .... with the threat of a permanant drop for repeated overuse.

Paul K · 13-03-2005, 20:55

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Originally Posted by big_ba*tard

Im talking about all isp's not just ntl

Shame you are doing so in an NTL cap discussion thread. Wonder how many people are going to hit the ignore button soon, personally I'm not as I'm just waiting for your next jewel of a post

13-03-2005, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Carth

Imaginary scenario ... as understood from most related posts

* 3 users on the same UBR as me download anything they can 24/7, which causes me problems.
* NTL twigs they're power users and charges them extra for exceeding the cap.
* I still have degenerated sevice, power users still download 24/7, NTL generate income.
*I still have bad service

The only way my service would improve is if the power users were dropped to a low tier .... with the threat of a permanant drop for repeated overuse.

I don't think NTL have annonced what they will do, but the indication on this forum is that they will do exactly what you suggest, and for the reason you indicate - i.e. drop to a lower tier for the rest of the month. If there is sufficient demand, I suspect they may well introduce metered broadband and use the income to upgrade the hardware and put the metered users on a lower contention ratio. Just my thoughts though.