*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[jtwn]

I think ntl have got it right, 1mb is an entry product and should be capped that way, the other tiers look way more prospective then it so maybe theres that extra incentive to for a couple of customers to bump up their speed.

Actually, I've got to hand it to them, as long as they keep the guidelines for the upper tiers, it makes all the mainstream and alot of the more specialist isps, such as Pipex look weak in comparison

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Ok lets put this into summary here, the point was raised asking why NTL can not allow unmetered downloading between say 1am and 6am and it was argued that is no good since people would have to sit and wait up to click a download button. Then it was pointed out there are things called download queues and some people dont mind and already do wait until that time of night to start their downloads, it was then argued that everyone would start browsing at the time because they worried that they break their cap so it was the pointed out it is unlikely that a million people will suddenly start browsing and read their emails after 1am and that the person arguing wasn't one of the mass users ntl want to keep. It was also pointed out they have noticed he defends ntl even when they are clearly wrong, this they got a warning for even tho nothing abusive was said.

I have seen many abusive comments thrown from pro ntl people and not once has a mod stepped in, I still see many unansewered questions, ignition has attempted to answer some which I aprreciate but there is still many unaswered questions and I think the reason they remain unansewered is because the truth hurts.

Chrysalis, I wish that you would look at both the post that I was answering and the answer that I gave to it. If someone says that nobody reads their emails after midnight and I reply that I do, what is wrong with that?

Yourself and a few others don't like the fact that someone is looking at the tripe they are posting and tries to put the record straight. I am neither a NTL lover or hater. I look at what they are doing and back them if I think they are doing things right and slate them if I think they are doing things wrong.

I use the word tripe because that is exactly what it is. Just look at the British Gas and Telenor situations that you have brought up. I do research what I post unlike some.

Originally Posted by punky

also, looks like they have dropped the idea of auto-reducing speeds for heavy users?

They haven't dropped it - they simply don't have the technology installed yet to be able to do it. They will have, quite possibly within a year - and then you can be sure that this will happen.

[encaser]

As the caps are the same for 2/3mb; what's the point in paying £13 more for a 3mb line, as most won't see the point/benefit really in hitting the wall faster and/or in general usage for that matter?

[Halcyon]

Can someone tell me what the normal cap is currently on a 300k connection. I'm thinking of getting the opgrade to 1mb but today already my bandwidth download is 120mb so I'm wondering if this new 3gb cap per month will be ok for me.

[Tezcatlipoca]

1GB per day - same as the 750k & 1.5Mb services.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by encaser

As the caps are the same for 2/3mb; what's the point in paying £13 more for a 3mb line, as most won't see the point/benefit really in hitting the wall faster and/or in general usage for that matter?

The cap for 2mb is said to be 30gig while 3mb will have a 40gig cap

[jtwn]

No, its 1gb a day for both. The same because its a guideline.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Perhaps once they eventually switch to hard capping, they will change it to a monthly figure - rather than the current daily "guideline". That could be why there were the different figures floating around...some said 30/40GB per month, some said 1GB per day. Maybe 1GB per day initially, like now, then 30GB/month (2Mb service) or 40GB/month (3Mb service) once they start enforcing.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by jtwn

No, its 1gb a day for both. The same because its a guideline.

And it will only be enforced if your usage is causing problems for others locally on the network and refuse to change your usage pattern..........

So it's not a cap, end of thread

Later in the year 1mb will be capped but 2&3 stay with guidelines

[garyparson]

Don't know if this has been mentioned before but can't be bothered to read five pages to find out.

What is the point of broadband? Bigger and better? All these films that you'll be able to watch online, all the games that you can play all day, all the music that you can download legally (so i've heard) all the websites and all the chat programs etc etc..

One gig a day???

Get real.

I've used a program to calculate my usage for the last month and it's somewhere between one and two gig a day.

I moved to broadband from dial up as NTL like others, courted me with bigger and better speeds and downloads. Now I'm on it, it's 'oooh, don't download too much'.. eh? That's the whole point, or least it was when they wanted us spending more on broadband.

It'll only be a matter of time before the circle starts again and there will be a new level of service, obviously for more money, telling us that it's bigger and better and you can download more.. Til everyone is on it and it's back to square one..

[scrotnig]

Originally Posted by garyparson

Don't know if this has been mentioned before but can't be bothered to read five pages to find out.

What is the point of broadband? Bigger and better? All these films that you'll be able to watch online, all the games that you can play all day, all the music that you can download legally (so i've heard) all the websites and all the chat programs etc etc..

One gig a day???

Get real.

I've used a program to calculate my usage for the last month and it's somewhere between one and two gig a day.

I moved to broadband from dial up as NTL like others, courted me with bigger and better speeds and downloads. Now I'm on it, it's 'oooh, don't download too much'.. eh? That's the whole point, or least it was when they wanted us spending more on broadband.

It'll only be a matter of time before the circle starts again and there will be a new level of service, obviously for more money, telling us that it's bigger and better and you can download more.. Til everyone is on it and it's back to square one..

Welcome to the capitalist economy...

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by Paul M

They haven't dropped it - they simply don't have the technology installed yet to be able to do it. They will have, quite possibly within a year - and then you can be sure that this will happen.

I think you will find they have the technology as they had this when i was working within tech support for them and that was nearly 4 years ago.

More of a case they have binned the staff that know how to use it.

[bilal]

basically when the speed upgrades take place it will be a soft cap and later on in the year it may become a hard cap??? Thats not too bad then...

Originally Posted by carlingman

I think you will find they have the technology as they had this when i was working within tech support for them and that was nearly 4 years ago.

If you say so.

Assuming you were correct, and they really had this technology installed and working four years ago, do you not think they would have been using it to impose their caps ?

ntl techs may have the ability to interrogate routers, switches, ubr's and even CM's to get raw data flow rates, but this is not the same as monitoring each persons real usage and providing a means for them to see this information, and take action based on it (either the customer or ntl).