*ALL* Speed Upgrade Discussion In Here Please (Part 2)

[nostra]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

no real news of late - I think it's a case of an announcement will be within the next couple of weeks. I dont think they can leave it much longer to start an official campaign as a lot of the competitors (e.g. Nildram today) have already made announcements.

i think that will change.... very very very very soon

[scrotnig]

Speed upgrades will not be long now......

[bigitup_j]

yeah, just over a week - if everything goes according to plan. *fingers crossed*

is it true that the caps will not be enforced until later in the year?
if so, then upgrading from 300k to 1mb won't be too bad, seeing as we won't have strict caps. plus, at the rate the broadband market is moving at the moment, i wouldn't be suprised if ntl change the planned caps to keep up with competition or even introduce even faster speeds or change the prices, just to keep in line with competition. maybe ntl will try and under cut other ISPs apart from BT retail .
maybe, we'll never have to be under the "strict caps", by the autumn, everything could have changed.... (hopefully for the better )

these speed increases will be brill! (as long as the caps aren't enforced, just yet)

my thoughts so far...

[jtwn]

Apparently new customers will be able to get in with the new speeds earlier than the rest, as of the 8th March.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by number34

Am I Off topic??
I check this thread every couple of days to see if there is any real(!!) news of when I will get the FREE upgrade from 750 k to 1.5 mb and all I ever seem to read is moans and whinges about the cap and how this will force people to move to BT etc. Boring.......
So, are there any firm dates and details around yet?

I am sure you meant 2MB there not 1.5MB

[Chrysalis]

Originally Posted by scrotnig

So they lose a couple of hundred heavy users, or even a couple of thousand. They'll have to make do with the remaining million or so then won't they!

Sorry it looks like you in for a bad shock, I personally know 30 or so people who use more then 40 gig a month, I find it very hard to believe that I know 20% of ntl's users that this will affect. I would expect it to be more like 50000 out of 1million who go over 40gig or 30gig on the bottom tier. Then of course their will be users who dont use that amount but for other reasons they wont want such a cap so of course thats more, and the bottom tier they may be people who was eg. 512kbit for under £20 a month but more then 5 gig a month, can NTL provide this? no?

I can see NTL losing about 10-20% of their broadband customers from this due to mixture of bad publicity/going over cap/better deals elsewhere, this just shows the arrogance if you believe you are invincible and people will just accept it once they KNOW ABOUT IT.

10-20% - I don't think so - you are living on another planet.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Sorry it looks like you in for a bad shock, I personally know 30 or so people who use more then 40 gig a month, I find it very hard to believe that I know 20% of ntl's users that this will affect. I would expect it to be more like 50000 out of 1million who go over 40gig or 30gig on the bottom tier. Then of course their will be users who dont use that amount but for other reasons they wont want such a cap so of course thats more, and the bottom tier they may be people who was eg. 512kbit for under £20 a month but more then 5 gig a month, can NTL provide this? no?

I can see NTL losing about 10-20% of their broadband customers from this due to mixture of bad publicity/going over cap/better deals elsewhere, this just shows the arrogance if you believe you are invincible and people will just accept it once they KNOW ABOUT IT.

[Chrysalis]

Paul really, a norway isp tried the same and lost 40%, like I said its example of company thnking its impossible that can happen but it will.

Dont even try comparing this to the introduction off the last cap since that isnt enforced.

NTL's arguments'

"We provide for the bulk of the customers not the minority"
My opinion taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge, there is so many users in this country who have broadband but use it for a purpose that dialup is fit for.

"We need these "LOW" caps to even make a profit"
Very hard to believe when I hear that NTL make 50% operating profit plus isp's all around NTL are offering peak time only caps or all day caps like 500gig month.

"We want piracy of our network"
I think all isp's do, but the solution isnt to try and brute force it off because innocent users get cuaght in the crossfire, for things like bittorent a upload cap would hurt a lot more.
This seems to be more trying to protect NTL's tv revenue.

Come on guys try and address these points.

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Paul really, a norway isp tried the same and lost 40%, like I said its example of company thnking its impossible that can happen but it will.

Dont even try comparing this to the introduction off the last cap since that isnt enforced.

NTL's arguments'

"We provide for the bulk of the customers not the minority"
My opinion taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge, there is so many users in this country who have broadband but use it for a purpose that dialup is fit for.

"We need these "LOW" caps to even make a profit"
Very hard to believe when I hear that NTL make 50% operating profit plus isp's all around NTL are offering peak time only caps or all day caps like 500gig month.

"We want piracy of our network"
I think all isp's do, but the solution isnt to try and brute force it off because innocent users get cuaght in the crossfire, for things like bittorent a upload cap would hurt a lot more.
This seems to be more trying to protect NTL's tv revenue.

Come on guys try and address these points.

NTL do not ever claim any of the above and who are this "norway isp" and give us some info + history on them.....

I got BB because I got fed up with the two hour cutoff on dial-up which would always screw up any downloads I was trying to get so I think my reasons for choosing BB over Dial-up are valid..

Ntl have always been capping us.Remember the free 24/7 always on dial-up we were promised way back when?All we had to do was sign up and wait for the cd.

I waited 16 months and two months after I got my disk they were charging £10 to us dial-up 24/7 customers.I was allowed a 6 month sabbatical before I had to pay a fiver.After a year it went up to the full sum.Gee thanks ntl!

I never really expected much from ntl since then.They are trying to make money after all and at least they were more honest than some 24/7 dial up ISP's that took my money and then ran.....

Incog.

Originally Posted by purenuman

NTL do not ever claim any of the above and who are this "norway isp" and give us some info + history on them.....

You know i would be very interested in that info as well. So i will pull up a chair and wait to see who made the statements and who this ISP is. If they lost that many users there should be lots of news items on it . Lets do a search of google see who finds it first. to google search page and trys something like this

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I waited 16 months and two months after I got my disk they were charging £10 to us dial-up 24/7 customers.I was allowed a 6 month sabbatical before I had to pay a fiver.After a year it went up to the full sum.Gee thanks ntl!

I never really expected much from ntl since then.They are trying to make money after all and at least they were more honest than some 24/7 dial up ISP's that took my money and then ran.....

Incog.

I think that was because NTL expected the industry to move towards free dial up, but then the rest of the ISP's realised people were so ignorant they could continue to screw them over.

A similar thing happened in the mobile phone industry, orange introduced a deal where for a one of fee of £15 a pay as your go customer could have 5 a day free text messages indefinately. The offer was soon withdrawn, after they realised that no one else was doing it . It still amazes me how phone companies can charge for text messages today.

[Stop It]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Paul really, a norway isp tried the same and lost 40%, like I said its example of company thnking its impossible that can happen but it will.

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Chrysalis, really, 2 Major ISPs in THIS country have got wose caps than NTL, BT and Wanadoo, both havent lost 40% of their customers post capping.

NTL will not lose a major amount of people due to a cap, they are much more likely to lose more over perceived problems within the network, far more people are interested in a reliable ISP over an uncapped one.

[pdjkeelan]

Originally Posted by Stop It

Chrysalis, really, 2 Major ISPs in THIS country have got wose caps than NTL, BT and Wanadoo, both havent lost 40% of their customers post capping.

NTL will not lose a major amount of people due to a cap, they are much more likely to lose more over perceived problems within the network, far more people are interested in a reliable ISP over an uncapped one.

It's more serious for NTL though if someone leaves Wanadoo or BT they usually just go to another ADSL provider. But if someone leaves NTL broadband where do they go? AOL on NTL? It's the only option and if you don't want AOL on NTL then you have to get ADSL and most people that go that route will switch to BT/SKY for their phone and digital services. So if NTL loses broadband customers they will also likely lose the customer for telephone and digital as well.