*ALL* Speed Upgrade Discussion In Here Please (Part 2)

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cr80123

Yes that's all well and good Neil

I know.

Originally Posted by cr80123

However do you agree that the reason for imposing limits is to enable ntl to increase the number of people on it's netwok and not in any way due to concern of breach of copyright on other people's material?

I have no idea as I don't work for ntl, but I would suspect it's a data capacity/cost issue (same as most ISPs I would think)

Originally Posted by cr80123

The only people who should be concerned about this are the copyright holders themselves, yet for some reason there's loads of people on here who are also bothered.

That depends on the legal teams & who they hold initially responsible I would suspect.

Originally Posted by cr80123

I only use about 5 GB per month yet I'm not in favour of caps.

Warez monkey!

Originally Posted by cr80123

Apart from the fact that I may want to change my habits in the future, this is the thin end of the wedge. People are going to require more and more bandwidth in the future as files sizes get bigger. I'd expect people to be either against the caps or apathetic, not actively in favour.

Horses for courses really, but I think most people's problem with ntl's cap, is that it was forced upon them quietly on a Friday afternoon, rather then them signing up to it knowingly & willingly.

[Hans Gruber]

I'd just like to point out that's it's not only the people that go over 30gb a month that are opposed to the cap.

[Spurs007]

While this thread allegedly is supposed to be about the speed increases, and as so often has degenerated into a cap discussion With sarcastic comments aplenty. And the rights, (And obvious wrongs) of illegal or otherwise use of your NTL connection, I just feel that I would say this:
I am happy with NTL, have very few problems, I admit I occasionaly go over 1gb a day and this is what worries me that the cap will be a daily limit rather than monthly, as there are many legal downloads that are over 1gb.
No I dont download Linux ISO's or game demos on a daily basis, nor am I constantly downloading.
But nor do I feel I should be penalised financially for downloading a large file when the one off occasion I do so means I pay extra, when my overall total per month is far below 30gb.
And to bring it back to speed I cant wait for the upgrades

Well I think that now it is going to cost me so much more in blank media, per month, that NTL should cut the price, when they put the speeds up, or send me a cake & some sleeves with each bill.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

"PlusNet is the first ISP to announce how BT's speed trials will affect its business model. Previously, the price of its Premier product ranged from £21.99 a month for a 512Kbps connection to £39.99 per month for a 2Mbps line. But from April, PlusNet will shift to usage-based charging, where £21.99 will buy 30GB of peak-time data per month plus another 230GB per month during the night. Customers can pay more to get a larger monthly download limit."

An ISP with sense, you will find most users are not against caps as a whole they just against biased caps, plusnet realised night time capacity isnt an issue and allow users to take advantage. Why cant NTL?

Sorry to dig up a slightly older post but I haven't been online much the past couple of days.

There have been quite a number of posts about not wanting to have to monitor internet usage and not wanting to have to watch what the kids are doing on their PCs. How would those people fare with the Plusnet offering? Suppose you move to Plusnet when the 8Mb speeds are available and you live close enough to the exchange to get the 8Mb.

Plusnet gets activated on your line and away you go. First job is to do a speed check. Yippee, you're getting the full 8Mb. Right, lets get to work. What can I download overnight? Yep, got it all worked out, a few linux distros and all those massive game demos, but I will have to stay up till 1 am to start the downloads off so I don't use up my peak hours.

A couple of days later you decide to check your usage. What!!!!!!!, I have less than 1Gb left of my peak hours and there are still 28 days to go this month. What's gone wrong? Check usage logs. Drat, the overnight downloads were only coming through at 1 Mb not 8 Mb for some reason and most of them were completed in peak time. B***** kids, they've been maxing out the connection during peak time as well, will ahve to have words with them and keep an eye on what they're doing. Who said this b***** Plusnet was a good deal with hundreds of gigs a month for so little? Only time I can use it now is during the night. F****** ****** ****** *******!!!!

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by scrotnig

I am entitled to my opinion as you are yours.

If you're a serious internet and/or computer user you won't even acknowledge the existence of AOL, since their disgusting software is as good as having a virus on your machine if you ever want to use another provider.

There are other reasons too.
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Only because some of us have got to the point where we're fed up with having crap hurled at us and having to be nice and fluffy in reply.

I, personally, speak my mind now and voice my own opinion. Some people don't like that because I dare to disagree with them. That's tough on them.

Simple solution dont use aol software you dont have to use it even if they are your ISP provider.

[iron25]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

Sorry to dig up a slightly older post but I haven't been online much the past couple of days.

There have been quite a number of posts about not wanting to have to monitor internet usage and not wanting to have to watch what the kids are doing on their PCs. How would those people fare with the Plusnet offering? Suppose you move to Plusnet when the 8Mb speeds are available and you live close enough to the exchange to get the 8Mb.

Plusnet gets activated on your line and away you go. First job is to do a speed check. Yippee, you're getting the full 8Mb. Right, lets get to work. What can I download overnight? Yep, got it all worked out, a few linux distros and all those massive game demos, but I will have to stay up till 1 am to start the downloads off so I don't use up my peak hours.

A couple of days later you decide to check your usage. What!!!!!!!, I have less than 1Gb left of my peak hours and there are still 28 days to go this month. What's gone wrong? Check usage logs. Drat, the overnight downloads were only coming through at 1 Mb not 8 Mb for some reason and most of them were completed in peak time. B***** kids, they've been maxing out the connection during peak time as well, will ahve to have words with them and keep an eye on what they're doing. Who said this b***** Plusnet was a good deal with hundreds of gigs a month for so little? Only time I can use it now is during the night. F****** ****** ****** *******!!!!

Surely, what plusnet are doing is going to cause more speed problems because they are now telling everyone to download within the same time period which is going to flood the network and people won't be able to max their connections My understanding of the term 'peak time' is when most are using their broadband connection. Aren't they just moving the peak time from 6pm to 10pm to 12am to 6am

Also, what happens when people don't use up their quota. Are plusnet going to carry it forward to the next month or perhaps give people a refund seeing as it is a usage-based charge and they haven't used their quota I don't think so. Use it or lose it

[Chrysalis]

Well the plusnet idea is good for people like me, I do most of my downloading when I go to bed anyway, for 2 reasons.

1 - Out of respect for gamers who like to play games in the evening.
2 - So it doesnt affect my own connection as I do a lot of stuff on secure telnet.

I can understand its not good for everyone, there are cases where you have to be at your pc to do your downloading but I think that type of downloading is usually for smaller files and within the 30 gig limit they give you, if not then yeah its a bad situation. But plusnet's idea certianly is better then ntl's implementation at least they are aiming to please as many people as possible.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Chrysalis

Well the plusnet idea is good for people like me, I do most of my downloading when I go to bed anyway, for 2 reasons.

1 - Out of respect for gamers who like to play games in the evening.
2 - So it doesnt affect my own connection as I do a lot of stuff on secure telnet.

I can understand its not good for everyone, there are cases where you have to be at your pc to do your downloading but I think that type of downloading is usually for smaller files and within the 30 gig limit they give you, if not then yeah its a bad situation. But plusnet's idea certianly is better then ntl's implementation at least they are aiming to please as many people as possible.

The point that I was making was that you still have to carefully monitor your use if you have a service such as Plusnet. The really heavy downloaders will try to cram as much as they can through in the off-peak period and if their connection goes slow for whatever reason during that period then a lot of the queued downloads will actually take place in peak time.

[tommyboi]

Is there a timetable for the speed upgrade on the 14th? It be sweet to see Glasgow get the upgrade at like 9am.

[Nemesis]

The changes are due from the 14th, not necessarily on the 14th

Re the proposed 3 gb cap on 1mb, after testing throughput with net monitor i find that just having modem connected and computer running 12 hours daily without any surfing or downloading etc. approx 6oomb is used on a monthly basis.
So the cap is in reality 2.5 gb for my setup, if you are running 24/7 well then you can kiss goodbye to 1 gb.
One big con if you ask me.

[Paul K]

Originally Posted by tony

Re the proposed 3 gb cap on 1mb, after testing throughput with net monitor i find that just having modem connected and computer running 12 hours daily without any surfing or downloading etc. approx 6oomb is used on a monthly basis.
So the cap is in reality 2.5 gb for my setup, if you are running 24/7 well then you can kiss goodbye to 1 gb.
One big con if you ask me.

600Mb per month without browsing? Somehow I think you may find your figures are wrong. I take it you have made sure your system is clean and no background apps were running updates etc?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by tony

Re the proposed 3 gb cap on 1mb, after testing throughput with net monitor i find that just having modem connected and computer running 12 hours daily without any surfing or downloading etc. approx 6oomb is used on a monthly basis.
So the cap is in reality 2.5 gb for my setup, if you are running 24/7 well then you can kiss goodbye to 1 gb.
One big con if you ask me.

That's 20 meg per day.

Are you sure you checking it correctly?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Neil

I always laugh at the folks who reckon they can download 30 gig per month of legal data!

"I want unlimited BB because I download Linux distros"

How often does a Linux distro come out? I'd be surprised if there were 30 gigs worth of Linux distros released each month!

I want to download game demos & they're over a gig each!"

I personally believe the people that D/L over 30 or 40 gig per month are just leeching warez & should be big enough to admit it instead of the old "Linux Distros" chestnut.

And for those who say "But I up/download pictures & large documents to my work"-get a business connection & pay the relevant price for the privilege.

@ Martikus-My post wasn't aimed at you directly, more at the point you made about people who download "arge game demos"etc.

to the site btw.

I agree.

I personally would consider myself a Power User (play about with new software, linux included, games etc), and I doubt I have ever gone over the current limit.

The only time I even came close was recently when I was trying out various Linux distros (to see which I liked).

Also with Game demos, whilst it's true that game demos increasingly going over 1 gig, I don't download that many in a day (apart from anything else, it's not practical due to download speeds, and I like to spend some time enjoying what I download).