racism

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Ezenden
[B]What people? What attitude?

Well lets see......the Kosovans in Gravesend and Broadstairs who are habitual knife carriers and criminals?

Well of course.

Well thats not the way the assylum seekers (and the liberals) see it!

No, we'd murder and enslave the citizens, run the government, segregate the schools, diminish the local culture, preach our own and build our own churches ourselves. Oh wait a moment..........

Why should we pay/feel guilty for the sins of our great grandfathers?!

[Russ]

Originally posted by Ramrod
Well lets see......the Kosovans in Gravesend and Broadstairs who are habitual knife carriers and criminals?

What, all of them? Do you have any facts or figures to back this up?

[Niles Crane]

Well lets see......the Kosovans in Gravesend and Broadstairs who are habitual knife carriers and criminals?

Wow, one miniscual example (one which also contains major exaggeration, hysteria and generalisation). *starts sarcastically clapping*
My point in saying "what attitude, what people?" was to point out the stupidity and extreme generalisation in the comment.

Well thats not the way the assylum seekers (and the liberals) see it!

More stupid generalisations. And i'd prefer it if you didnt tell me what i see and what i dont, as you obviously dont know.
Typical right wing, always trying to dictate others

Why should we pay/feel guilty for the sins of our great grandfathers?!

Erm, who said you should? I was merely make a very valid (and sarcastic) point. Dont get your knickers in a twist mate.

[Xaccers]

With regards to asylum seekers.
As a nation we get about 100,000 AS a year.
Of those, only about 10,000 are considered valid.
Think of the resources being wasted on the 90% that aren't valid!

That's why I go along with the plan to build multi-national funded asylum centres where AS can be taken, looked after, and assessed much faster (most AS lawyers will tell you that if the AS is detained the acceptance/rejection process is much faster as you know where they are).
Those who are rejected (ie economical migrants etc) would get returned to their own countries.
Those who actually do need our help and support would be allocated to a country on a quota basis, so no recieving country is economically burdened.
They'd also get language training for the country they are allocated to, and any basic education they need (and importantly medical training for any AS doctors so they can start practicing immediately).
Once they arrive at their allocated country, they won't be AS anymore, as they've been given asylum and therefore will be able to work, pay taxes etc unlike the current AS who are not allowed to work and therefore have to rely on benifits from the state.

Personally I feel that if the public knows that these people are genuine, and truly do need our help, and these people are working and not taking benifits, then they will be much more accepting.

Also, with the money that would be saved from not having to deal with the 90,000 invalid applications we could afford to increase our quota to 20,000 helping even more genuine people in need, and still have money left over.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Ezenden
[B]Wow, one miniscual example (one which also contains major exaggeration, hysteria and generalisation). *starts sarcastically clapping*
My point in saying "what attitude, what people?" was to point out the stupidity and extreme generalisation in the comment.

and I was giving you specifics, as you asked for. If you want to be sarcastic then thats up to you......

More stupid generalisations.

but true ones....

And i'd prefer it if you didnt tell me what i see and what i dont, as you obviously dont know.

but you do know enough to spout off, and then tell me I can't?!

Typical right wing, always trying to dictate others

so unlike the left who are never telling everyone what to do....one word: centralisation....lol

Erm, who said you should?

You implied that, and if you didn't, why did you raise it then?

I was merely make a very valid (and sarcastic) point.

but you were making a point that I replied to...so I would still like an answer to it...

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Xaccers
With regards to asylum seekers.
As a nation we get about 100,000 AS a year.
Of those, only about 10,000 are considered valid.
Think of the resources being wasted on the 90% that aren't valid!

That's why I go along with the plan to build multi-national funded asylum centres where AS can be taken, looked after, and assessed much faster (most AS lawyers will tell you that if the AS is detained the acceptance/rejection process is much faster as you know where they are).
Those who are rejected (ie economical migrants etc) would get returned to their own countries.
Those who actually do need our help and support would be allocated to a country on a quota basis, so no recieving country is economically burdened.
They'd also get language training for the country they are allocated to, and any basic education they need (and importantly medical training for any AS doctors so they can start practicing immediately).
Once they arrive at their allocated country, they won't be AS anymore, as they've been given asylum and therefore will be able to work, pay taxes etc unlike the current AS who are not allowed to work and therefore have to rely on benifits from the state.

Personally I feel that if the public knows that these people are genuine, and truly do need our help, and these people are working and not taking benifits, then they will be much more accepting.

Also, with the money that would be saved from not having to deal with the 90,000 invalid applications we could afford to increase our quota to 20,000 helping even more genuine people in need, and still have money left over.

Well said

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Russ D
What, all of them? Do you have any facts or figures to back this up?

lol, of course not. I just have the impressions of normal law abiding people- teachers, driving instructors, supermarket workers, who live in those places ans have come into brutal contact with these thugs. Not to mention my vicar who was conned into giving two of them a home.

[Niles Crane]

and I was giving you specifics, as you asked for. If you want to be sarcastic then thats up to you......

One word: rhetorical.

....but you do know enough to spout off, and then tell me I can't?!

I'm not making hysterical generalisations.

so unlike the left who are never telling everyone what to do....one word: centralisation....lol

Yes mate, thats right .

You implied that, and if you didn't, why did you raise it then?but you were making a point that I replied to...so I would still like an answer to it... [/B]

I raised it because it was in answer to his question, a comical answer but an answer nonetheless.
You want an answer? Well first answer me this:
Are you proud of what your ancestors have done? Are you proud that its your ancestors who've let you live such a luxorous life? Are you proud of your ancestors who've built this country? Are you proud of the good aspects of British history?
If the answer is yes to any of those questions, then yes; you should then also feel remorse and disgrace (not guilt) for the bad actions of your ancestors. Take the good with the bad and the bad with the good as they say.

[Lord Nikon]

As a country we have been guilty of a lot in the past, and we have also made restitution for some of it, we went into iraq to end the reign of terror of a dictator, we did this with the assistance of the americans (or we assisted them ) We offer asylum to people who ask, we fund a health service for the general population, we have put the asylum seekers in hotels most of us couldn't afford a long stay in, we give them money, legal assistance etc.

we have waiting times of 2 years or more for some surgery on the NHS, breakthrough drugs and treatments are rejected by the NHS on the grounds of cost. yet we accept more refugees and asylum seekers. Businesses are failing in the UK, yet we accept more asylum seekers.

It has to end, before this country is unable to support itself, we need to put the situation on hold, process those we have, accept or reject the people, then we pass people to france, to italy, to other countries while we sort ourselves out.

If the country was a business, it would be closed by the directors.
our first responsibility has to be to the people who are living here, to improve things for them.

We also need to readdress the situation for the asylum seekers. Perhaps an idea along the lines of the following...

State run employment centers, for the asylum seekers, making clothing for them, making other goods, furniture, etc which each asylum seeker must work in, unless they find more gainful employment outside the centers, This to be done for a period of 2 years, Compulsory english lessons for them so that they may speak the language of the country they wish to live in, wages to be paid, with deductions for the housing they are given, as well as national insurance and normal taxes.
This means that rather than supporting them, they support themselves.

Any refugee / asylum seeker found to commit a crime within the first 6 months (ANY crime) to be deported. Within the first 2 years, deported depending on the severity of the crime.

[kronas]

Originally posted by Ramrod
Not to mention my vicar who was conned into giving two of them a home.

oh right.................ok...........so if 2 christians conned him that would make all christians BAD and should be thrown out of the country somehow i dont see it happening...............

*sees a huge bias emerging

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by kronas
oh right.................ok...........so if 2 christians conned him that would make all christians BAD and should be thrown out of the country somehow i dont see it happening...............

Of course not, but there is a pattern emerging...
Someone said earlier that 90% of all asylum seekers were economic migrants, not refugees. As such they are con-men/women and they are conning our country and taking our money.

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by Ezenden
You want an answer? Well first answer me this:
Are you proud of what your ancestors have done? Are you proud that its your ancestors who've let you live such a luxorous life? Are you proud of your ancestors who've built this country? Are you proud of the good aspects of British history?
If the answer is yes to any of those questions, then yes; you should then also feel remorse and disgrace (not guilt) for the bad actions of your ancestors.

I will answer as if the British were my ancestors. The answer is no to all the above ....so I guess I would'nt have anything to feel guilty about
the British nation has (like many others) been built partly on the blood and sweat of other peoples but that is not the fault of anyone alive today. It's a bit like expecting you to pay reparations because your great grandfather committed a crime.

[kronas]

Originally posted by Ramrod
Of course not, but there is a pattern emerging...
Someone said earlier that 90% of all asylum seekers were economic migrants, not refugees. As such they are con-men/women and they are conning our country and taking our money.

wtf are you talking about the people who come in to this country are actually helping the economy grow ofcourse there will be some who screw the system im talking about the economic migrants

"Although employment was not the dominant reason for heading to the UK, it was found to play some role because, according to the researchers, they wanted to support themselves - something the UN Refugee Agency calls "mixed-motive migration"

"Finding work was an important issue once they had reached a place of safety," said the Home Office paper"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3075505.stm

[Ramrod]

Originally posted by kronas
ofcourse there will be some who screw the system im talking about the economic migrants

thats the 90% someone mentioned.....in other words the overwhelming majority.

"Finding work was an important issue once they had reached a place of safety," said the Home Office paper"

thats the other 10% that I have no problem with

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[kronas]

Originally posted by Ramrod

thats the other 10% that I have no problem with

you dont understand what im trying to tell you is some people come to this country as skilled workers ie doctors nurses etc jobs that people here DONT want to do or there is a skills shortage some want to come to this country and improve there lives as the country they come from has a poor education system or has no work and want to earn a living they are plouging millions back in to this country