The future

Originally Posted by jtwn

As we know plusnet are rolling out 8mbit in april, but come the autumn when bt afaik, are rolling out 8mbit how will ntl counter this?

NTL have to be able to compete with BT...question is, is the cable system, in its current state, capable of 8mbit nationwide? As they like to be one step ahead, is it capable of even faster than that?

Now whats the max distance from the exchange for 8 meg. Not that far if i remember correctly. It will never be available for everyone on adsl for a long time.
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Originally Posted by Kevin

btw how much are ntl's "wireless" routers ?

Wireless router for £25.00 quid please show me

£65.00 including the first 54 meg card and installation in the area i work. I know as its me that fits them .

[Kevin]

This is true it won't be available for everyone those who are lucky enough to live 2.5 miles from the exchange it will be available, but then again when broadband was first released not everyone could get a 1mb connection after and on the cusp on 3 miles now they can....technology moves forward very quickly when the demand is their...

Check ebay mate, pick up a 11mbit wireless router on their for 25 easily, the cable modem ones you can pick up for 24.99 i was just curious to see how much ntl charge for them..

Originally Posted by Kevin

This is true it won't be available for everyone those who are lucky enough to live 2.5 miles from the exchange it will be available, but then again when broadband was first released not everyone could get a 1mb connection after and on the cusp on 3 miles now they can....technology moves forward very quickly when the demand is their...

Think the laws of physics come into play here . I think you will find it takes a lot longer to overcome this problem

[Kevin]

hehehe your right their, but not impossible tho!

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yes but i dont have to buy their router, i have an adsl router and a quick look through any online computer store will tell you that you can have one from £25, so how does your statement add up answer it doesnt.

btw how much are ntl's "wireless" routers ?

Secondly, its not on a yearly contract, i could go either ukonline or plusnet, plusnet being a 1 month contract..so either way its a hell of a lot better than ntl.

And easynet tempting users hahahahaha yeah they have more money than ntl do so where that statement comes from god knows.

Easynet havent been through chapter 11, dont owe god knows how many billions....

Nobody has to buy their router at the moment, they are giving it away FREE. Are they doing that out of the goodness of their heart or is it to tempt customers onto their network? If their service was as good and sustainable as you think and so much better than anyone elses then there would be no reason for giving such freebies.

[Kevin]

ian@huth i wasnt talking about the ntl router ?, anyways its not a router its a cablemodem ntl do not give routers away free try to stay on thread..

[Lew]

Originally Posted by Paul M

You also have to bear in mind that having an 8M line does not mean you will get 8M downloads. Very few internet servers have the capability to serve this sort of speed to multiple end users.

Of course, anything using Akamai servers will be able to provide way in excess of 8Mbps. Mmmmâ₠¬Ã‚¦ 8Mbps iTunes Music Store downloadsââ‚ ¬Â¦

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Kevin

ian@huth i wasnt talking about the ntl router ?, anyways its not a router its a cablemodem ntl do not give routers away free try to stay on thread..

RTFT (read the thread) and try to improve your attention span.

[Kevin]

Sorry just getting ready to go out, been running round a bit, apologies..#

[jtwn]

I think Ignition wrote it was ~2km for 8mbit? I'm 2.1km straight line from my exchange, i would be able to see the exchange from my house if it wasn't for some mini wood in my way.

The straightline distance would go straight across fields, where as the road which the cable would be planted in (?) goes round, so its like that is the hypotenuse of a triangle and the roads, the other parts - no 8mbit for me i guess :/

[ian@huth]

If you have a BT phone or a near neighbour has you can check the line length using details from http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t181.html

Hmmm, having read through the thread that I posted the link to it appears that this may no longer work. It did a couple of years back when I had a BT phone and tried it but only having a NTL phone now I can't check. Possibly it was being over used with people wanting to check their line length for broadband and BT now have a different number for the checks.

[ProfPete]

Originally Posted by orangebird

The way people on here bleat on about 8meg, you'd think it was the be all and end all of every BB users requirements. And it's not.

I can assure its not the be all and end all

I demand at least 10mbps

...and still wouldn't be happy until 20, would be content with 50 though

But then I am spoilt with a gigabit of connectivity for part of the week...
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Originally Posted by Paul M

You also have to bear in mind that having an 8M line does not mean you will get 8M downloads. Very few internet servers have the capability to serve this sort of speed to multiple end users.

Very few is probably right. But the important ones (ftp.mirror.ac.uk and ftp.blueyonder.co.uk) do. Infact both will throw out WAY more than that, as both myself and Ignition can prove...

Yes, those all important linux ISOs that everyone claims to sit around all day and night downloading (and uploading? ) can be transferred in under a minute

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Originally Posted by jtwn

Out by a factor of 10 I'm afraid. Its closer to 200metres, maybe 300 metres.

Or am I thinking of how far ADSL2+ and VDSL will work?

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by Kevin

That i understand, what i dont understand is why ukonline can give me 8mb with a 500gb a month cap for £39.99 surely then the same applies to ukonline, or it is just a limitation of ntl's network.

I wish they could give it to me, 1.94Km from exchange (straight line), new wires to house when exchange was upgraded to ADSL, MAX speed available 512Kbs. Perhaps the reason that they can offer 8Mb without overtaxing the infrastructure is that only a percentage will be able to get it. If NTL offered 8Mb everyone paying for it would expect to get 8Mb, therein lies the difference.

[Rik]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M
You also have to bear in mind that having an 8M line does not mean you will get 8M downloads. Very few internet servers have the capability to serve this sort of speed to multiple end users.

Also lets not forget the NNTP servers that go a lot faster than that!
No im not referring to NTLs News Servers

In fact the more I look at other Broadband providers the more I think NTLs caps are laughable......

Lets just hope they dont enforce them too harshly

[gooner4life]

BT will have fibre to the home before NTL or Telewest id wager a fair few quid on that.