racism

[Lord Nikon]

Originally posted by kronas
[snip] the BNP has invaded my town [snip]

I would take that as a sign of peoples dissatisfaction with the "mainstream" candidates really rather than a vote FOR the BNP.

We have had a conservative govt... they messed up the country, we are STILL recovering from their actions.
Labour aren't doing much better. People want a change, but who to vote for?

wtf is this country coming to

Racism is and always has been a big problem, and not just in the UK, a couple of centuries ago people went to the US on the mayflower, and proceded to almost eradicate the indigenous population, same thing has happened wherever we have set foot. Australia, South Africa, etc etc. We can hope that we educate the bigotry out of people, but it seems persistant.

My personal opinion is that we should close the refugee floodgates and ship some of them to france, germany, in fact any country other than the UK. This is not bigotry, this is economics. This country is having trouble sustaining its existing populace, by accepting more immigrants we are stretching the resources even further, taxation etc is causing the closure or relocation of many businesses outside the country, disposable income has never been so low, unemployment is STILL high, we need to curb this, not increase the amounts.

A Prerequisite for living in the UK should be the ability to speak english, (as should the ability to speak german be a prerequisite for living in germany) Or at least show willingness to LEARN the language.

Too many times is language / colour / race used as an excuse for "misunderstandings", as is the saying "They grew up in a different culture", sorry, that does NOT hold water. The laws of a country should apply to ALL, Ignorance is NOT a defence.


There are as many white people I know who are a***oles as there are asians, in fact some of the most honest people I know are asian, as are some of the least honest. Race or colour does not define a person, a person is defined by his or her actions.

The legal system in the uk is totally messed up, People like tony martin face jail for defending their property, criminals are free to sue the people they commit crimes against. Asians avoid issues with the police by claiming racial prejudice when they are pulled over for driving a car with 3 bald tyres, a 5 year old tax disc at 60mph through a 20 zone, with no tax / mot / license and they get away with it. It is not their fault they do this, it is the fault of a legal system that allows it to happen. (Although admittedly some police forces DO target non white people)

Thing is, what can we do about it? The laws are decided by people who have little or no idea of what happens in the real world to a majority of people. Even New Labour have no idea, and the idea of that party was for a political force led by the working man.


We should scrap the legal system, scrap the politicians and start over again, electing people into power who DO know, creating laws which no longer give favour to criminals / children. Start trying to make Britain Great again.

[Edit] Please note, I do not mean PERMANENTLY close the refugee borders... merely until we can sustain ourselves again, and have a growth economy capable of sustaining them

[kronas]

Originally posted by Defiant
Perhaps this is another reason the BNP are doing well. Shame their not around here I'd vote for them and before any bloody do gooders reply no I'm not racist just an Englishmen that's p#ssed off with a government thinking were a continent when were only a small island with our own problems

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003380423,00.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003380578,00.html

the sun another excellent source of news

the fact is if the BNP were to come in to power the economy would be crippled as the current financial rewards would be spent on keeping ethnic minorities out of the uk and bribeing them to leave as a recent local news article said they are willing to pay ethnic people to leave this country the country they paid taxes to gave back helped the economy

[Bifta]

Originally posted by kronas
the fact is if the BNP were to come in to power the economy would be crippled as the current financial rewards would be spent on keeping ethnic minorities out of the uk

Firstly, you don't know that as a fact, secondly if they stop even some of the refugee's that come to Great Britain to take up council housing and various benefits then the reward far outweighs any budget spent on keeping them out in the first place.

[Xaccers]

Originally posted by Lord Nikon
We have had a conservative govt...

Had? Had? I thought we still did! (and they're still screwing things up)

[Russ]

This thread will need to calm down a bit if people want it to stay open.....

I've had my fair share of racism. And I am afraid it has tainted my views somewhat.
I have been attacked, had my parents house vandalised and received death threats from Combat 18. All because i sttod up for a friend.
Now the bit that really galled me, was, because I am white I was told this wasnt a racially motivated attack. Yet the same policeman warned me that C18 where having a big meeting and that I wasnt safe. He then threatened me into not withdrawing my statement and point blank refused to help me. (incidently he was later severely reprimanded over his actions in the whole investigation)

Now because of this my views are tainted, I dont preach hatred, I dont object to anyone entering this country to make a better life for themselves. What I object to is the fact the more and more people are finding out that we are at a disadvantage because we are white.
An extreme claim I know.
But look at things from my point of view, the person I stuck up for had stickers put on his windows, I was physically attacked, received telephoned death threats and had my parents house trashed yet the police went beserk over stickers on a window and had the house under 24 hour protection and yet I got not a damned thing. In fact I was lead to beleive (probably in my own head that it was all my fault and that I should be more carefull).

Its a mixture of reasons why the BNP is getting its way, but remember the BNP are a legal political party and the fact that they exist is the same reason we can say what we like in public, the reason we can march in protest at our government.
Yes the BNP have some extreme views, but please dont confuse them with the Neo Nazis, or the likes of C18. The BNP are a political group, they may have ties to some unsavoury groups but hey the Labour government waged an illegal war on Iraq and forced an innocent man to take his own life.
Racism will never ever be wiped out, I was astounded to find the amount of racism that comes from Indians to Pakistanis and vice verser. What we need is more equality where one race isnt given any kind of preferential treatment to any other. Only then will parties such as the BNP find their support dwindle.

[imback]

We have been here so many times, and I have been slated for my views so many time, and called racist etc etc.

The BNP will continue to get votes as long as all the other parties continue to ignore te wats and needs of the average UK voter.

I am not saying it's a good thing, but we live in a democracy and should be thankfull of that, if parties were to not allowed to run then t would not democratic.

[Russ]

It's interesting how some people get 'racism' and 'xenaphobia' mixed up. For example if someone said "I hate Pakistanis" then they are immediately branded 'racist' but that would only be correct if the judgement was based on the colour of their skin. If that person said it because of where they come from, they are subsequently 'xenaphobic'.

It's interesting therefore how someone can be called 'racist' if they complain about the number of English people moving in to a Welsh town.

(This is just an example, I'm not saying I agree with it)

[imback]

Originally posted by Russ D
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Good point Russ, but making me think this early in the morning is not good.

[tabatha]

Now that things seem to have calmed down...slightly...would the more vocal "for and against" posters care to give their idea of a racist???...

If I have cause to denegrate a person with a "white" skin..that seems to be ok....BUT...if I do the same to a person with a "coloured" skin...for exactly the same reason...I am classed as a racist....
Agree with a fair ammount of "lord`s" post....just do not see how we send them to France/Germany cos they do not speak English....when they probably do not speak French/German either??...

[ic14]

Originally posted by timewarrior2001
Now the bit that really galled me, was, because I am white I was told this wasnt a racially motivated attack.

Ok this isnt the same as you but anyway, when i was at school a black boy pushed me down the stairs and shooted that i was a peice of white trash, i shouted back (in my anger) that hes was a ******, he only got suspended for a day but i got suspened for a week because i was being racist. The thing is he was being racist as well, but they didnt look at it that way

Why are people that vote for BNP seen as racists when most are not. Most are people fedup with the government flooding our country with immigrants and had enough. Their using the only thing they can to change things and that's their vote. Are existing parties lab/cons wont so why not. Were seen as a soft touch throughout the world and we are. That's the real reason people flock through Europe (safe countries) to get to Britain and collect their benefits or should I say our tax money. Even existing immigrants know doubt realise the doors have to be shut that's the only way to stop true racists until this is done then racism will get worse and theirs no stopping it

[tabatha]

This could be going off topic...delete if it is....
I always u/stood that asylum seekers had to apply for asylum in the first "neutral" country they came too....
If asylum seekers had to apply for asylum BEFORE they entered the country this would simplfy things....IMNO

[Dave Stones]

living near heckmondwike where the BNP candidate got in i probably got all the same news as kronas etc. its strange how whenever the BNP look like getting a seat the otehr parties get on their high horse and complain because the BNP are distributing flyers saying what their policy is and what they would do etc. dont all political parties do this?

in the may elections the fact that the BNP came second in my town was because people believed a lot more of what was on the BNP propaganda than on the liberal conservative etc propaganda. the BNP actually promised things... whether they would deliver or not is a different matter but then again labor promised and didnt deliver didnt they...

i am pretty sure looking at the margin of victory in mirfield that the conservatives had, the BNP will get in next time.

an interesting side note, the person that runs off all the leaflets for the BNP lives about 5 mins away from me. a few years ago the police arrested him and confiscated all his computing equipment for no reason, other than to claim he was "inciting racism". this was shunned by many of the townspeople and they were disgusted at the police, as there was no evidence of this at all. im sure thats why 1400 of my town voted for them...

[kronas]

Originally posted by Lord Nikon
I would take that as a sign of peoples dissatisfaction with the "mainstream" candidates really rather than a vote FOR the BNP.

yes i agree

Originally posted by Lord Nikon

My personal opinion is that we should close the refugee floodgates and ship some of them to france, germany, in fact any country other than the UK. This is not bigotry, this is economics. This country is having trouble sustaining its existing populace, by accepting more immigrants we are stretching the resources even further, taxation etc is causing the closure or relocation of many businesses outside the country, disposable income has never been so low, unemployment is STILL high, we need to curb this, not increase the amounts.

again i agree with this this country can only take so much before the coffers get emptyed severely

Originally posted by Lord Nikon

A Prerequisite for living in the UK should be the ability to speak english, (as should the ability to speak german be a prerequisite for living in germany) Or at least show willingness to LEARN the language.

i think the people who do arrive must be given help in learning english as some come from backgrounds where english was not the primary language

Originally posted by Lord Nikon

Too many times is language / colour / race used as an excuse for "misunderstandings", as is the saying "They grew up in a different culture", sorry, that does NOT hold water. The laws of a country should apply to ALL, Ignorance is NOT a defence.

to a certain extent its true there are diffarences in culture but the law should be upheld for this country

Originally posted by Lord Nikon

There are as many white people I know who are a***oles as there are asians, in fact some of the most honest people I know are asian, as are some of the least honest. Race or colour does not define a person, a person is defined by his or her actions.

exactly what i would like to see

Originally posted by Lord Nikon

Asians avoid issues with the police by claiming racial prejudice when they are pulled over for driving a car with 3 bald tyres, a 5 year old tax disc at 60mph through a 20 zone, with no tax / mot / license and they get away with it. It is not their fault they do this, it is the fault of a legal system that allows it to happen. (Although admittedly some police forces DO target non white people)

thats BS the police stop anyone who is breaking the law regarding such issues asians do not claim racial prejudice every time that happens

Originally posted by Lord Nikon

We should scrap the legal system, scrap the politicians and start over again, electing people into power who DO know, creating laws which no longer give favour to criminals / children. Start trying to make Britain Great again.

yep and give equality to everybody and take action on certain issues such as the law and the NHS etc and start to make real changes to this country in a positive way