*ALL* ntl Cap Discussion Here Please.

[Hans Gruber]

Screw AOL then :p

(unless AOL cable is any different)

[Doofy]

This may be of some use i have personally set up 2 comps to run on aol with out ther horrid software

http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t12323.html?

[Chrysalis]

I think a few are realising the amount you can download is more important then the burst speed, but I think Chris is right about AOL it can mess you up if you like to have a home network sharing the internet. Diemydarling I agree with as well, the reason people didnt carry out threats last time is because the cap turned out to be a guideline, although we don't know yet 100%, indications from people make me expect this to be a enforced cap. I was going to leave in may for certian but now ntl's business lite package has become a possible option for me. I am still to decide.

[Doofy]

I originally posted this in another thread, i thought it was this one regarding the business lite package. i got this form NTL business team who were surprisingly fast, and polite and i received an instant call abck after i emailed them.

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[zitianaki]

Originally Posted by Ignition

I feel inadequate in that the highest service I can see on that companies information is 10Mbit downstream and 8Mbit upstream. The fastest ISP in Sweden is Bredbandsbolaget http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se who offer a 100Mbit symettrical service, capped at 180GB/month if I remember right. Though Sweden is a bad comparison as Government money assisted, BBB are using Government paid for or subsidised fibre.

Late reply but i only recently signed up, my friend uses that isp he should know. and its 10MB/10MB not 10Mb/8Mb you get a choice of 10Mb/1 or 10/10 and even though their 100Mb connection has a 180GB its still alot better then ntl's 40Gb monthly. who somehow think 40GB is enough for a whole months useage. i wonder how a country like sweden can offer all this yet England cant offer much. people in sweden are very lucky. i wish i lived there 10Mb/10MB for 20 Euro a month. i guess ukonlines 8MB will have to do . why cant uk pay for subsidised fibre england is more rich then sweden and yet they did it years ago. england should hurry up and catch up

[DieDieMyDarling]

You can set up AOL without their software now. It was the thing that put me off moving, even when ntl were going through a rough time with email etc,but there's many web pages now showing you how to do it. Do a search on google.

[Hans Gruber]

If I signed up with AOL cable would I get the exact same connection I have now? Or would there be some kind of routing through AOL's networks? I don't want to end up getting high pings or slow downloads...

[Ignition]

Originally Posted by zitianaki

Late reply but i only recently signed up, my friend uses that isp he should know. and its 10MB/10MB not 10Mb/8Mb you get a choice of 10Mb/1 or 10/10 and even though their 100Mb connection has a 180GB its still alot better then ntl's 40Gb monthly. who somehow think 40GB is enough for a whole months useage. i wonder how a country like sweden can offer all this yet England cant offer much. people in sweden are very lucky. i wish i lived there 10Mb/10MB for 20 Euro a month. i guess ukonlines 8MB will have to do . why cant uk pay for subsidised fibre england is more rich then sweden and yet they did it years ago. england should hurry up and catch up

Umm nope if you re-read what I said the 10/8 comment was made in a different sentence, I then began to talk about bbb.se as the fastest ISP I could see in Sweden.

Think you missed the post I was replying to, supplies that all important context, and the punctuation I used in my reply.

Would you like to pay extra tax for this subsidised fibre? 95%+ of the UK wouldn't. Personally I don't appreciate the insane tax burden I have now without the Govt finding another excuse to tax the @rse off me (1p for bb, 10p for whatever else we have in mind) and considering their appauling wasting of money so far on anything bb related I wouldn't trust them anyway.

EDIT: AOL over ntl uses the ntl network purely as a conduit to AOL's network, so yes you use AOL's network extensively.

[Chris W]

Originally Posted by zitianaki

england is more rich then sweden

actually Sweden is poorer than the UK...

link

which means by definition England is not richer than Sweden

[zitianaki]

hell yes i would pay extra tax's its well worth it to get a decent net connection rather then crappy speeds, would be money well spent. 20 Euro for 10Mb/10MB cant be a bad thing unmeterd. sdsl is good shame the prices for 2Mb sdsl is over £300 a month

[Hans Gruber]

There's an interesting article on wired about bittorrent, which then goes onto "peercasting" which is a way of broadcasting legit TV shows over the internet. It's things like this that really should have us worried about usage caps.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1...ittorrent.html

[Mauldor]

Originally Posted by scastle

Isn't it funny how whenever NTL talks about a cap. we get great long threads of people moaning about it (IIRC the one on .com was around 7000 posts when it was closed), threatening to leave etc.?

AFAIK, very few people actually left as a result of the current cap. It will be interesting to see how many people actually leave as a result of the proposed ones.

The last Cap when it first came in, I got rid of Tv Box thing + all channel and switched phone from NTL to BT. I kept Cable modem and the theory was if I get "told off" for using my connection to much, i would ditch that too. So basically it may not seem like many left which they probably never as nothing got enfoced but if they bring in a hard cap (which they will i think) then expect a lot more to leave...Basically people wont leave until something happens...which is a fair point

[Chrysalis]

I would also pay extra tax, it benfits those on low incomes who cant afford decent internet, and also benefits our whole infrastructure as a whole.
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Originally Posted by Mauldor

The last Cap when it first came in, I got rid of Tv Box thing + all channel and switched phone from NTL to BT. I kept Cable modem and the theory was if I get "told off" for using my connection to much, i would ditch that too. So basically it may not seem like many left which they probably never as nothing got enfoced but if they bring in a hard cap (which they will i think) then expect a lot more to leave...Basically people wont leave until something happens...which is a fair point

Good point, a friend told me a major isp in norway introduced a cap, but they lost so much of their userbase their creditors threatened to cancel their credit agreement due to their weakened position so they had to abandon the caps.

[bioboy]

Something a lot of people don't seem to be considering is whether there's actually anything worth downloading from other ISPs if you use the newsgroups like I do.

A girl I work with went with BT Yahoo (can't get NTL where she lives) after I showed her how you downloaded stuff from newsgroups a lot more anonymously than you do elsewhere. Trouble was that after she signed a 12 month contract she found their servers contained zilch!

For all the moaning we do about NTL their newsgroup servers are good in comparison to other ISPs I know of.

The thing that bugs me is the £25 upgrade fee for current users. So they don't value us as much as new customers?!!

[purenuman]

Originally Posted by bioboy

The thing that bugs me is the £25 upgrade fee for current users. So they don't value us as much as new customers?!!

It's to entice new customers rather than reward them because they value them more