Ripper visits father's ashes site

Originally Posted by Sarah_77

If it was the case of an eye for an eye that would mean he would have been put to the death. Its a case of killing 13 innocent women and nearly killing countless others and ruining their lives. Some of whom probably feel like prisoners as they are too scared to ever trust anyone or go out alone . He should have no privelidges.

I was a child when he was on the loose and I remember the fear all women had of this nutter

You entirely miss the point.

If you do unto others as they have done unto you, you are no better than them.

[AndrewJ]

Originally Posted by Graham

You entirely miss the point.

If you do unto others as they have done unto you, you are no better than them.

Agreed.

p.s: anyone else having issues copying and pasting?

[Sarah_77]

Originally Posted by Graham

You entirely miss the point.

If you do unto others as they have done unto you, you are no better than them.

I'm sorry if you think I am wrong but how is cold blooded murder the same as revoking someones priviledges ?

I am a compassionate person and a mum to be in three weeks.

Do you think he was thinking about the victims parents when he killed these women ?

This is my opinion and I'm sorry if you disagree !

Sutcliffe is not a convicted murderer, he's a pyschiatric patient, therefore he is detained probably a lot longer than most other murderers.
That he commited horrible crimes I dont doubt, but I just wanted to put the point across that he is not a prisoner as such and the law treats him differently and reflects this.

Mopst murderers get out after what 10 years? how long has he been in prison? I think after all this time, allowing him to visit the site where his fathers ashes are scattered is something ALL prisoners are allowed, most even get visits to their parents when they are dying, but sutcliffe did not.
Its all just media bull **** in my eyes, they have not broken any policy or law and they have not let a killer walk the streets unguarded, so what I ask is the problem?

[poolking]

Originally Posted by AndrewJames

Agreed.

p.s: anyone else having issues copying and pasting?

Off topic here, but are you using firefox?

[AndrewJ]

warning NO I have firefox but using IE6 right now as I keep meaning to kit firefox up with my plugins and themes.


Just the old ctrl+c to clipboard it and ctrl+v would not work...then it did once I refreshed the page

edit: thanks though and back on topic now

Originally Posted by Sarah_77

I'm sorry if you think I am wrong but how is cold blooded murder the same as revoking someones priviledges ?

I suggest you go back and read the context in which that was written.

I was replying to Skunk4U's comment "The victims why should we show compasion??????

And my response was "Because we are (or should be) better than him. "

If we show no compassion, how can we consider ourselves to be better than him? If we think that he should have no rights, we are acting as if he is somehow "less important" or "less deserving" than someone else. (As I have mentioned already, that sort of attitude has been responsible for genocidal atrocities elsewhere/ when in this world. )

I am a compassionate person and a mum to be in three weeks.

Good for you and congratulations.

Do you think he was thinking about the victims parents when he killed these women ?

No, almost certainly not. But the fact is that *WE CAN* think about such things and act upon them is what makes us "better" than him. Should we demean ourselves by stooping to his level as an act of petty "revenge" on the part of society? I don't think so.

This is my opinion and I'm sorry if you disagree !

And you are entirely welcome to hold any opinion you want. And I am entitled to disagree with it and will.

[Pierre]

Sutcliffe is not a convicted murderer, he's a pyschiatric patient, therefore he is detained probably a lot longer than most other murderers.

Incorrect, Sutcliffe was convicted on murder. His plea of deminished responsibility was revoked.

Somewhere along the way he was transferred to Broadmoor, but he was not sent there from the court.

Originally Posted by Pierre

Incorrect, Sutcliffe was convicted on murder. His plea of deminished responsibility was revoked.

Somewhere along the way he was transferred to Broadmoor, but he was not sent there from the court.

Is he in a psychiatric hospital?
Last time I checked broadmoor was still officially a hospital for pschotic patients and the criminally insane.

so it seems that although the court refused his pleas of insanity it has later been found that he is errr insane. That means there is a chance he was when he decided that prostitues should all be given a beating with a hammer, which means he didnt willfully commit murder in the eyes of English law. therefor he is not legally a murderer.

Crazy huh? anyway I still think the hoo haa about him being allowed under heavy guard to visit the place his fathers ashes were scattered is complete bull****, every other person would expect to be able to do this, why should we deny it to sutcliffe, a guy that has spent the last 24 -25 years behind bars.

Maybe its because he killed women and made women feel scared, is it this that makes his crimes more heinous?
To be honest theres a hell of a lot more for women to be scared about these days than if a guy who is now going to be fairly old is allowed several hours outside a secure hospital under heavy guard.