Capital punishment

STONEISLAND · 21-01-2005, 11:19

I think you all know my views just wanted to put it to the vote.

Raistlin · 21-01-2005, 11:24

I like the impartial tones of the "No" option.....

Nugget · 21-01-2005, 11:27

I believe that there are good points to be made on both sides of this one. However, I won't be taking part in this poll, purely because of the sheer impartiality of the statements - 'no, because I wish to waste my taxes on more cells' is far too wooly (and contentious), and there should also be a straight, carte blanche yes vote as well.

Salu · 21-01-2005, 11:28

I am in favour of capital punishment although I do see the problems with miscarriages of justice. I think that anyone proven of serial murder ought to be executed as the chances of a miscarriage of justice is significantly reduced. (Even though it is miniscule anyway)....

People who have been convicted of murder once ought to be sentenced to life and that life should mean life. There should be opportunites for appeals of course to help avoid miscarriages.

Another interesting debate is "Do you think that murderers should be killed in the same way as their victims??"...

I don't think Paedofiles should be executed but their punishments are ludicrously lenient...

STONEISLAND · 21-01-2005, 11:36

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Originally Posted by Nugget

I believe that there are good points to be made on both sides of this one. However, I won't be taking part in this poll, purely because of the sheer impartiality of the statements - 'no, because I wish to waste my taxes on more cells' is far too wooly (and contentious), and there should also be a straight, carte blanche yes vote as well.

You are right and I'm sorry was a little

when I did the poll,

dilli-theclaw · 21-01-2005, 11:44

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

You are right and I'm sorry was a little

when I did the poll,

Ask a mod to change it for you

Nugget · 21-01-2005, 11:46

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

You are right and I'm sorry was a little

when I did the poll,

Don't worry - as I said earlier, I understand what you're saying

The trouble is that it's difficult to tie it down to a single option, as there are a number of problems with that. For example, what if someone (who has pleaded his innocence all along) is convicted of murdering a policeman, and is put to death. However, 5 years later, new forensic evidence comes to light, and the authorities find that it definitely wasn't him, and somebody else is found guilty - it's not like you can bring the innocent man back.

Also (using the policeman analogy again), how far does it stretch - would you still get the death penalty if you murdered him when he was off-duty?

Unfortunately, it often isn't a clear-cut case of 'Yes, he did it - hang him'. For those who know a little of the 'recent' history of capital punishment in Britain, I just need to use the exceptionally open-ended term 'Let him have it, Chris', and it shows what is so difficult about this.

STONEISLAND · 21-01-2005, 11:53

As I say the evedance has to be overwhelming in order to have the punisment and i mean forensic evidence to be spot on.

If over whelming then in a bit.......

AndrewJ · 21-01-2005, 12:08

I understand your point, but sadly that would bring us down to there level, there has to be another way, I mean cells aint that big, and Jails can be located on islands, certain things will have to be done, relying on heavy amounts of evidence just wont win it with me.

We are a modern day civilised race, we dont run around saying off with his head because of what someone did, and because we have evidence, even though it is more technological and definate.

We need to look into more options, perhaps a brig a basic craft in space ( large one ) with AI G gravity and leave them there of course with life support etc. Would be expensive but save earth space for jails?? depends on which way we want to go. Back to being barbaric, or perhaps to something more expensive but which stands a remote chance of working.

Ramrod · 21-01-2005, 12:13

With the choices offered, had to vote 'no'......

**Chris** · 21-01-2005, 12:14

There's no way I'm voting on such a meaningless poll as this one. However, suggest to me a more reasonable set of options and I'll edit it and re-set the counters.

STONEISLAND · 21-01-2005, 12:15

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Originally Posted by AndrewJames

We need to look into more options, perhaps a brig a basic craft in space ( large one ) with AI G gravity and leave them there of course with life support etc. Would be expensive but save earth space for jails?? depends on which way we want to go. Back to being barbaric, or perhaps to something more expensive but which stands a remote chance of working.

What a great idea you want to be an MP you will get my vote

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Originally Posted by Chris T

There's no way I'm voting on such a meaningless poll as this one. However, suggest to me a more reasonable set of options and I'll edit it and re-set the counters.

Good 1 sorry I was a little hasty.

AndrewJ · 21-01-2005, 12:16

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Originally Posted by skunk4u

What a great idea you want to be an MP you will get my vote

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Snag is not everyone see's things my way because I think so out of the box as one called it.

Personally I would train them up and make them under heavy guard make a base for us on moon.

BBKing · 21-01-2005, 12:19

Not voting for such a badly-worded poll. Take it from me that my position is 'No way'.

AndrewJ · 21-01-2005, 12:24

I voted no but after thought, perhaps a administrator of the forum, could put in better options and reset the counters, I do think this thread could get somewhere with the right options to vote for.

Noticing we have been getting some really good debateable threads recently.