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On a lighter note, regarding flag waving. I was puzzled to see England supporters at the recent cricket test match in South Africa flying large Spanish flags with 'Gylo is our King' emblazoned on them. It transpires that the England spin bowler Ashley Giles had a benefit season last year and ordered 1000 commemorative mugs which came with the misprinted caption "Ashley Giles, King of Spain" 
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13-01-2005, 17:07
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Yes, on the subject of flags, I'm always a little confused why the Union Jack gets waved at England football matches....
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13-01-2005, 17:12
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Re: Now the shoe is on the other foot....
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Yes, on the subject of flags, I'm always a little confused why the Union Jack gets waved at England football matches....
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Because the English aren't allowed an identity... 
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13-01-2005, 17:13
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Because the English aren't allowed an identity... |
Utter rubbish. What's the name of the national team you follow? Does it not have it's own national flag?
Go across to america and talk to a native - they will automatically assume you come from 'England'.
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13-01-2005, 17:16
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yeah russ, u can't fly the St George's flag at a football match cos it "racist" but the Union Jack is allowed.
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13-01-2005, 17:19
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Because the English aren't allowed an identity... |
Utter rubbish. What's the name of the national team you follow? Does it not have it's own national flag?
Go across to america and talk to a native - they will automatically assume you come from 'England'. |
Yes but St George's flag allegedly incites racial hatred, violence, blah. all propaganda I know but propagated by the Scots running the country 
English is not on these "ethnic origin" questions, usually Welsh and Scottish is.
Several places and residences have been made to take the ENGLAND flag down because ethnic minorities / scots / whoever have complained about it
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13-01-2005, 17:22
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English is not on these "ethnic origin" questions, usually Welsh and Scottish is.
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In 30 years I have NEVER been referred to as an 'ethnic minority'. You show me ONE document which does.
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Several places and residences have been made to take the ENGLAND flag down because ethnic minorities / scots / whoever have complained about it
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Examples please? Link?
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13-01-2005, 18:14
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Go across to america and talk to a native - they will automatically assume you come from 'England'.
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Funnily enough, every time I've visited the US I've been asked what part of Australia I'm from 
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13-01-2005, 20:10
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The US do have a problem with us Brits who fail to talk like Hugh Grant. My missus (born Londoner) was declared Aussie - by a Seattle waiter who fancied himself as an expert on accents. How we laughed. I blame Neighbours.
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all propaganda I know but propagated by the Scots running the country
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?? Ken McLivingstone, I presume, the most influential directly elected man in Britain. No Scots running the place round where I live.
Blair isn't Scottish either, he just pretends to be to get votes. Charles Clarke isn't, Jack Straw isn't, so that's three out of the top four. You may as well ask why there are no Northern Irish or Welsh senior ministers.
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13-01-2005, 20:17
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Blair isn't Scottish either, he just pretends to be to get votes. Charles Clarke isn't, Jack Straw isn't, so that's three out of the top four. You may as well ask why there are no Northern Irish or Welsh senior ministers.
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You forgot 2 Jags Prescott, but thats an easy thing to do.
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13-01-2005, 20:27
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And Peter Mandelson and Alan Milburn. If you'd said an unpleasantly Thatcherite North-East Mafia was running the country you might have a point.
There are Scots of course - Brown, Reid and Darling spring to mind, It's not particularly surprising though, as we currently have an (allegedly) Labour government, which after all has a substantial Scottish MP base, and what's more one that goes back a few years to when the party, er, didn't do quite so well in the south. Seniority would suggest a few Scots might have been around long enough to rise to high office.
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13-01-2005, 20:29
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How about all the cabbies in London being told they couldn't wave have their little st george cross car flags on display from their cabs during euro2004?
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13-01-2005, 20:33
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You forgot 2 Jags Prescott, but thats an easy thing to do. |
I think "Northern Irish" meant those from Northern Ireland.
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How about all the cabbies in London being told they couldn't wave have their little st george cross car flags on display from their cabs during euro2004?
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Ahh yes, the car flags which the authorites considered 'dangerous' - yep, daft idea indeed but certainly nothing to do with the flags being English, it was because some beaurocrat decided they were potentially 'hazardous' to other road users...
I understand that for many English people (present company excepted of course!) there is a huge catering pack of McCain's oven chips on their shoulders over their nationality, as if there is an underground campaign to allow "the taffs, paddies and scots" to celebrate their nations whilst stiffling England from doing the same.
Not so.
We don't get St David celebrated in any noteworthy way, I'm sure it's the same for Sts Andrew and Patrick. We don't get days off for them either.
The media is controlled by England (and to some extent Scotland). How many Welsh and N Ireland presenters do you know of?
We have nothing against the English being proud to be English - all the power to you for doing so, we should be free in our patriotic celebrations. However when you refer to England as Britain and vice versa and subsequently think nothing of it, then it creates friction. There are very clear differences between the two, so why is it done? Ignorance (towards the other home nations) or forgetfulness?
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Re: Now the shoe is on the other foot....
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Yes, on the subject of flags, I'm always a little confused why the Union Jack gets waved at England football matches....
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You want to live in Glasgow - some <bleep> at Rangers matches fly the English flag and wear England strips.
I could go into why - but im not sure i understand myself. Something with a religious connection no doubt.
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13-01-2005, 20:42
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The US do have a problem with us Brits who fail to talk like Hugh Grant.
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Hugh Grant is cool though.
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