President Trump 2.0

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What is your evidence for this?

He read it on the Internet

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Hugh

There’s a lot of independent testing of the Voting Machines at Federal and Statelevel…

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/fi...States_508.pdf

I used to have to sign my name to a Health & Safety report, saying that when I was at a site I didn't see "A, B, or C" etc but as soon as I drove away "A, B, or C" could have quite easily appeared.

That "health & safety" sheet was completely invalid the moment I left the site, but companies put people's live's on the line based on what I said.

That whole "Certification" thing is complete rubbish because although I am NOT saying they are or have been rigged, it means absolutely nothing, when the code can be changed after inspection regardless of how "unlikely" that might be.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

What is your evidence for this?

Anything electronic like this can be rigged, I am NOT saying they are and have NOT said they were, I simply pointed out that it would be too easy for them to be rigged considering the code that they run off is not publicly visible, although I will correct that to be "They can be rigged, although not easily".



I simply fail to understand though how people fail to understand that it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility of things being rigged one way or another, simply because they don't like the person who is saying it.

I don't care if Trump or Harris or Tim from down the street say's the election was rigged, if they cannot prove it, then it doesn't matter, and as far as I am aware, none of the "Fraud" claims have been validated, I am just simply saying that you cannot guarantee that it cannot happen with machines which use private software, are inspected months before an election and are not inspected after an election.

Now the chances of someone actually tampering with the machines are slim, it's not entirely zero because everyone has a price, it's whether it worth it to the people trying to rig something if they want to spend that money.


I simply just wouldn't trust the machines to be used, I would prefer to have a system where humans do the counts with multiple checks in place to ensure there is nothing dodgy going on.

Originally Posted by damien c

Anything electronic like this can be rigged

Humans can be "rigged".

Originally Posted by damien c

I simply just wouldn't trust the machines to be used.

I would trust them to be more accurate than a human, who can easily miscount

[jem]

Originally Posted by Paul

Humans can be "rigged".

I would trust them to be more accurate than a human, who can easily miscount

Indeed, although it is theoretically possible to ‘rig’ a vote recording machine, there is precisely zero credible evidence that this is easy to do or has been done. On the other hand, there is considerable evidence to suggest that humans can be bribed to do certain things, and indeed have done so.

The physical ballot papers are retained, so in the event of it being close or contested, there is always scope for a full, manual recount. Even where voting is done by selecting a candidate on a touchscreen, they print out a physical copy of the ballot and asks if what is shown on the physical printout matches what they intended. This physical copy is retained,a nd this physical copy is the definitive ‘vote’.

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Paul

Humans can be "rigged".

I would trust them to be more accurate than a human, who can easily miscount

That maybe so, but if you have people watching, one from each party, the chances of that happening are very slim because the chances of someone paying off hundreds or thousands of people is essentially zero.


As I say I don't believe the elections were rigged, even if there are other ways fraudulent votes can be made, even over here.

[Carth]

I don't think any elections are rigged, the winners always turn out to be useless

[damien c]

Originally Posted by Carth

I don't think any elections are rigged, the winners always turn out to be useless

Yep, they all lie, all steal and all essentially prove we are stupid for voting for them.

[Mr K]

Wonder what happened to senior forum member Uncle Mick and his proclamation thst Trump 'wasn't all bad'? I think he was wrong. Hope he's ok, anyway.

He pops in now and then, but isnt seen often these days.