Andy Burnham’s chronicles
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
"glorified"?
When was that?
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
Maybe not quite glorified  more so said with conviction 
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
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Maybe not quite glorified more so said with conviction |
When?
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
OK look not glorified but rather proposed an answer to the issue that there are only ‘x' number of places in prisons with ‘y’ number of people being given custodial sentences.
Something has to give.
Prisons have two functions, punishment (I’m sure it’s not pleasant being locked up), and security, removing a dangerous person from society, so he or she can’t harm anyone else. The latter is a given, but the former, are their alternatives to prison as a punishment?
Now I’m certainly not saying that someone convicted of murdering a family gets a sentence of ‘painting a few walls’; but is there has to be somewhere in between prison and a fine. And I don't know what that might be.
Or, follow the US model and build and staff a lot more prisons.
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
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Nice try, but no cigar…
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
this no 10 north is a bit misleading as far as i can see manchester is further south than cleethorpes which is in the east midlands,it's just a con to work from home,no 10 north should be in newcastle
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
York - it’s further north than Cleethorpes, and it’s less than two hours by train…
Anyway, fun fact - Edinburgh is further to the West than Newcastle… 
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
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OK look not glorified but rather proposed an answer to the issue that there are only ‘x' number of places in prisons with ‘y’ number of people being given custodial sentences.
Something has to give.
Prisons have two functions, punishment (I’m sure it’s not pleasant being locked up), and security, removing a dangerous person from society, so he or she can’t harm anyone else. The latter is a given, but the former, are their alternatives to prison as a punishment?
Now I’m certainly not saying that someone convicted of murdering a family gets a sentence of ‘painting a few walls’; but is there has to be somewhere in between prison and a fine. And I don't know what that might be.
Or, follow the US model and build and staff a lot more prisons.
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No one sane would follow the US model on prisons anymore than they would on healthcare, where the system is designed to disincentivies rehabilitation and reform over profit, where the prisons actually make people worse after they have entered just to ensure they keep coming back.
Personally I wouldn't let anyone out of prison here who couldn't read or write, what chance does anyone have of achieving anything without these basic skills (unless they have learning disabilities or such like) and I think it might be best to increase sentences no more of this 3 or 6 months business, I'm sure that studies proved if you want to tackle recidivism the sentence has to be 2 years +, no more of this revolving door nonsense.
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
Hands up anyone that thinks there's a faint possibility HS2 will now get back on track (ha) for the Manchester connection
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Re: Andy Burnham’s chronicles
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Hands up anyone that thinks there's a faint possibility HS2 will now get back on track (ha) for the Manchester connection
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we need all our money to import and care for andys armada of mega dingy migrants,and doorway dwelling junkies,not to mention what coronation street norf will cost
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