Ann Widdecombe has died, murder suspected

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Herbert appears to have been attracted to women (female partner) before identifying as female. This dorsn't appear to have changed, so they have by default also changed their sexuality from straight to lesbian.

Do you realise how offensive that is?

Lesbianism is a sexual attraction, not a skinsuit or an ineffable identity. Same sex attraction is physiological, you can measure it in a laboratory.

A male attracted to a female is heterosexual. Herbert is a man, he fancies women. He is not a lesbian.

we truly live in the stupidest timeline that we have to deal with this nonsense.

[thenry]

Has he removed his manhood?

[jem]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Herbert appears to have been attracted to women (female partner) before identifying as female. This doesn't appear to have changed, so they have by default also changed their sexuality from straight to lesbian.

Herbert is a man, by all legal and logical definitions, if HE is sexually attracted to females (women) then by definition HE is a heterosexual person.

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Originally Posted by Chris

Do you realise how offensive that is?

Lesbianism is a sexual attraction, not a skinsuit or an ineffable identity. Same sex attraction is physiological, you can measure it in a laboratory.

A male attracted to a female is heterosexual. Herbert is a man, he fancies women. He is not a lesbian.

we truly live in the stupidest timeline that we have to deal with this nonsense.

And I suspect it will get worse before it gets better..

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by thenry

Has he removed his manhood?

Don't know, some undergo gender reassignment and some don't, they just dress and identify as another gender.

Enough of this, back to the subject.

[RichardCoulter]

A neighbour has come forward and said that there was a car that she thought looked suspicious outside the property at around the time of the murder. She has acknowledged that it's probably nothing, but has informed the police just in case it can help.

[thenry]

Pictured here for the first time, Joshua Kerry is accused of targeting the 78-year-old former Tory minister in her Devon home in a suspected terrorist attack.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/artic...es-murder.html

[Dingbat]

Have the Mail might have strayed into dodgy legal territory in their haste to name him?

The sub judice rule regulates the publication of matters which are under consideration by the court.
Matters are considered to be sub judice (Latin for 'under judgment') once legal proceedings become active.

Criminal proceedings are deemed active once a person is arrested, a warrant for arrest has been issued, a summons has been issued or a person has been charged and remain active until conviction.

https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-la...tempt-of-court

Originally Posted by Dingbat

Have the Mail might have strayed into dodgy legal territory in their haste to name him?



https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-la...tempt-of-court

No, naming him isn’t a problem per se. Simply naming somebody does not compromise a subsequent trial. If charges proceed, and the guy ends up in court, we will all know his name anyway. The risk to the mail is mostly arising from the question, what happens if he’s not charged? they are open to a civil action for libel at that point. It is with that in mind that they have led their coverage with all the quotes from neighbours saying what a lovely unassuming guy he is. They are defending themselves pre-emptively against any claim that they have damaged his reputation.

Remember that guy who was accused of murdering a woman, even arrested, on all the front pages and then it turned out to the lorry driver? That wasn't good.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Remember that guy who was accused of murdering a woman, even arrested, on all the front pages and then it turned out to the lorry driver? That wasn't good.

Christopher Jefferies? Jo Yates murder

Yes, and these days, with that case very much in mind, newspapers are supposed to balance the right to privacy against public interest, under the provisions of the human rights act. But these are still civil matters, not criminal ones. Naming him doesn’t expose the mail to criminal charges or compromise his chances of a fair trial. It *might* be grounds for him to sue them, but again, really only if he’s not eventually charged/convicted, or else what detriment did he actually suffer?

Originally Posted by Damien

Remember that guy who was accused of murdering a woman, even arrested, on all the front pages and then it turned out to the lorry driver?

Nope, I dont remember that at all.

[1701-e]

Originally Posted by Paul

Nope, I dont remember that at all.

The Lost Honour of Christopher Jefferies https://share.google/xv73XgSkOFJlWpCM8. Brilliant TV show made about it.

Jo Yeats, murdered by Vincent Tabak, who was eventually tracked down and convicted but not before the police and then large sections of the British media named and then persecuted a man called Christopher Jeffries, whose only crime was being eccentric enough that they could paint him as a probable pervert.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25625572

This has become the ultimate case study in what can happen when the press name a suspect and why they probably shouldn’t without specific and good reasons.

The Mail is sailing a little close to the wind by naming Kerry which is most likely why they’re trying to sweeten the pill by talking about how well regarded he is rather than demonising him as many journos did with Jeffries.