Andy Burnham’s chronicles

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

This net-zero lark has decimated business by making energy more expensive than anywhere else in the world. And that's on top of the tax take.

You mention "cost-effective"? Are you sure that wind power is cheaper than gas, especially gas we don't have to transport from the Red Sea? By all means add nuclear energy, wind farms (but not at extortionate land rent prices), solar power etc. But not at a pace that destroys our economy.

The figures have been shared many times.
"While renewable sources such as wind and solar are typically cheaper to produce, gas generation is more expensive due to the cost of producing gas."
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/blog/wholes...roducing%20gas.

Gas attracts global price rates and more capacity in the UK won't impact this. At the moment, the high price of gas is negatively impacting British industry, not renewables. We need to look at the facts, not what GB News's fossil fuel funders might prefer to tell us.

[Carth]

I'd love some solar panels on my roof, and a couple of batteries to store the 'free' power they would make.

Sadly I can't afford it . . and neither can the Government

renewable sources such as wind and solar are typically cheaper to produce

However, they are also impossible to produce a lot of the time (no sun, no wind).

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

The figures have been shared many times.
"While renewable sources such as wind and solar are typically cheaper to produce, gas generation is more expensive due to the cost of producing gas."
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/blog/wholes...roducing%20gas.

Gas attracts global price rates and more capacity in the UK won't impact this. At the moment, the high price of gas is negatively impacting British industry, not renewables. We need to look at the facts, not what GB News's fossil fuel funders might prefer to tell us.

The global gas price argument always gets trotted out. But it’s the government that grants the licences and a decent negotiator can strike the right deal. Then we have sovereign control.

Withe the wind/solar, nothing is free. We don’t make the panels, we don’t make the wind turbines, we yse coomercial land at rip off rates; the units/farms have to be built. The gas infrastructure is already there

Please dont trot out this pie-in-the-wind cobblers. Sorry to put it that way.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

The global gas price argument always gets trotted out. But it’s the government that grants the licences and a decent negotiator can strike the right deal. Then we have sovereign control.

Withe the wind/solar, nothing is free. We don’t make the panels, we don’t make the wind turbines, we yse coomercial land at rip off rates; the units/farms have to be built. The gas infrastructure is already there

Please dont trot out this pie-in-the-wind cobblers. Sorry to put it that way.

A decent negotiator cannot do the impossible. That's just hot air.

[damien c]

Well if the government stopped being cowards and decoupled the price of Renewables from the price of Gas and Coal like the Conservatives said they would, now Labour have said they will, then the price of our electric and gas could be cheaper, but none of the parties will do that because the funds will dry up in their back pockets.



As it is I have got a Ecoflow Delta 3 Classic sat behind me, I have a 515w solar panel being delivered anytime between tomorrow and Monday 6th July, then I need to run the cables out of the room, down to where the panel will be going temporarily because there is some work going on behind the house, and I do not want the panel damaging.

That 515w panel I am hoping will provide 400w+ during the day, to remove that from the main electric usage, if that works out, then I will start saving for a larger version of the Ecoflow and another panel or four and essentially move off the grid for day usage.

If the 515w panel can remove 400w it will remove about 70% of the electric from my server rack during the day.

[RichardCoulter]

Not worth paying for solar panels at my time of life for as I wouldn't recoup the cost, however these small portable units that are soon to go on sale at Tesco look interesting.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Not worth paying for solar panels at my time of life for as I wouldn't recoup the cost, however these small portable units that are soon to go on sale at Tesco look interesting.

it's not about you it's about saving the planet for future generations

Originally Posted by papa smurf

it's not about you it's about saving the planet for future generations

I'm with Richard on this one, it takes too long to get any savings from solar panels and batteries, and "Saving the planet" is just greenie nonsense. As has been noted in previous topics, even if the whole of the UK stopped producing any CO2 at all, it will still have practically no effect, we produce around 1% or less of global emissions

[Sephiroth]

Papa was having his fun.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Papa was having his fun.

You could tell it was just a bit of fun because, unlike the experts on global warming, he didn't fly half way round the world to mention it

[papa smurf]

yep i'm the one with the coal powered stove and a diesel car

[Mr K]

I don't think some of you are giving Andy a chance.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

it's not about you it's about saving the planet for future generations

Glad you've seen the light at last

How are sea levels at Cleethorpes?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

I don't think some of you are giving Andy a chance.

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Glad you've seen the light at last

How are sea levels at Cleethorpes?

about the same as 20,000 years ago

Originally Posted by papa smurf

about the same as 20,000 years ago

Seas levels were much lower 20,000 years ago (Ice Age).