Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

a) I thought it was already open?

b) which Sunday?

[jem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

a) I thought it was already open?

b) which Sunday?

a) It is open, it’s biggly open, more open than any time in history..... and it’ll be even more open.

b) Sixth Sunday in July

c) But this is the big one, 'remove enriched uranium at an undetermined date' - which often translates to ’never’, because we don’t have a clue as to how to do it.

Sigh.

So much winning…

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/17/m...-mou-text-intl

Under the draft agreement, the US will allow Iran to sell its oil and petrochemical products, and Tehran may be able to tap into a $300 billion development fund if it meets commitments related to its nuclear program in further negotiations. The document does not include specifics on what will become of Iran’s highly enriched uranium.

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4 — Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.

5 — Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.

6 — The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.

7 — The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.

8 — The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.


9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.

10 — The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.

11 — The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.

It would appear we are back to where we were before the JCPOA was ripped up in 2018, except Iran can access $300 billion of development funds, and the USA has used up $90 billion of weapons, and quite a lot of people, including over 100 children, have been killed…

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So much winning…

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/17/m...-mou-text-intl



It would appear we are back to where we were before the JCPOA was ripped up in 2018, except Iran can access $300 billion of development funds, and the USA has used up $90 billion of weapons, and quite a lot of people, including over 100 children, have been killed…

Why don't you just tell it as it is. Trump has surrender to Iran. Or you can explain what America and the world gained form this unneccessary war (or Special Military operation) has gained for anyone other than Iran?

[papa smurf]

he deserves an award -the worlds bigliest dick head, well done dumbo and let's not forget he's also knackered the white house

[Carth]

Yep, he's fought a hard won (7 times) war that nobody wanted - - apart from Israel and Iran (ongoing until the end of time)

The death toll is horrendous but nobody is to blame . . . 'sigh'

Most of the Western world has been crippled in some way by the blockage of shipping in the Hormuz Strait

oh, and . .

The document does not include specifics on what will become of Iran’s highly enriched uranium.

Is that the same stuff they'd already destroyed, or a different batch Iran made with the equipment (again, already destroyed). Gosh, I wonder where it will end up

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why don't you just tell it as it is. Trump has surrender to Iran. Or you can explain what America and the world gained form this unneccessary war (or Special Military operation) has gained for anyone other than Iran?

Maybe to commitment not to build a nuclear weapon. That is if you trust those religious zealots.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Maybe to commitment not to build a nuclear weapon. That is if you trust those religious zealots.

You mean like there was under the JCPOA that Trump ripped up?

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Carth

Gosh, I wonder where it will end up

Aim at Volodymyr Zelenskyy

[jfman]

Originally Posted by pip08456

Why don't you just tell it as it is. Trump has surrender to Iran. Or you can explain what America and the world gained form this unneccessary war (or Special Military operation) has gained for anyone other than Iran?

The world should have learned that Israel is fundamentally a terrorist state with no interest in peace in the region. At every turn it has spurned Trump’s attempts to end hostilities, even today as it rains down missiles in civilian areas in Lebanon knowing it is a red line for the Iranians.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

The world should have learned that Israel is fundamentally a terrorist state with no interest in peace in the region. At every turn it has spurned Trump’s attempts to end hostilities, even today as it rains down missiles in civilian areas in Lebanon knowing it is a red line for the Iranians.

Utter gollox.

Hezbolllah, Hamas and Iran are the terrorists, dedicated to Israel's destruction and the death of its population (as in Jews). If you don't recognise that, there's something wrong with you.

There is much for which Israel can be criticised in regard to its behaviour in the West Bank; that is down to the policies of the right wing religious party and they might be out of power in October (also maybe not).

But not a "terrorist state".

[jfman]

It entirely is. In no way does it act within the norms of acceptable behaviour and, thankfully, American foreign policy appears to have woken up to it. European foreign policy has recognised it to some degree and it’s apologists among the population will learn it soon enough when taxes go up to pay for replenishing weapons stockpiles Israel have burned on some of the most defenceless people on the planet - and a tiny minority who probably deserved it.

Sure, some politicians will deploy the Russian bogeyman that’s progression is best measured in yards not miles for the last three years in the SMO.

[pip08456]

A post by Andrew Neil.


The US has circulated its version of the Memo of Understanding with Iran to G7 leaders in France. It’s as bad if not worse than expected.
— The moment it’s signed (Friday) sanctions on the export of Iran oil are lifted. So the regime can start replenishing its coffers immediately.
— The US commits to doing nothing to undermine or destabilise the Iranian regime (it started the war to remove it).
— The US specifically commits to ending its blockade of the Strait of Hormuz but Iran does not commit specifically to returning the Strait to toll/fee free transit exactly as before the war, with no Iranian control/regulation whatsoever .
— All sanctions against Iran will be dropped should phase two negotiations go well. And America will withdraw its forces from the region.
— The US ‘undertakes’ to work with Iran and Gulf allies to create a $300 billion reconstruction package for Iran. So America will now become a partner with the tyrants of Tehran, who Trump only recently wanted to overthrow, in rebuilding their economy.
— All matters related to Iran’s nuclear capabilities are kicked into the ‘final agreement’ in 60 days time (or longer if necessary).
— No mention of Iran’s ballistic missile capabilities or its financing of terrorist proxies.
And that’s just about it. When Trump insisted the war would only end with ‘unconditional surrender’ it never crossed my mind he meant his own.

Make of it what you will.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jfman

It entirely is. In no way does it act within the norms of acceptable behaviour and, thankfully, American foreign policy appears to have woken up to it. European foreign policy has recognised it to some degree and it’s apologists among the population will learn it soon enough when taxes go up to pay for replenishing weapons stockpiles Israel have burned on some of the most defenceless people on the planet - and a tiny minority who probably deserved it.

Sure, some politicians will deploy the Russian bogeyman that’s progression is best measured in yards not miles for the last three years in the SMO.

That's always the case: a few baddies can murder 1200 innocent Israelis (except you regard those Israelis as part of a 'terrorist state); the Hamas, are cheered on by nearly every Moslem in the UK and, no doubt in Gaza. Israel retaliates - and how do you do this without collateral damage?

This would be solved if Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran changed their stance on Israel, as did the UAE, Egypt, Jordan et al.

And then there is the exported terrorism in Manchester and Golders Green.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

That's always the case: a few baddies can murder 1200 innocent Israelis (except you regard those Israelis as part of a 'terrorist state); the Hamas, are cheered on by nearly every Moslem in the UK and, no doubt in Gaza. Israel retaliates - and how do you do this without collateral damage?

This would be solved if Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran changed their stance on Israel, as did the UAE, Egypt, Jordan et al.

And then there is the exported terrorism in Manchester and Golders Green.

There’s a wild difference between collateral damage and the mass destruction of the homes of 2 million people.

Iran has come to their rescue by exposing the weaknesses of the American/Israeli alliance. No more can the gulf oil states rely on the global policeman to guarantee their security. Nor can they guarantee traffic through the Strait of Hormuz as a key artery for the global economy.

Iranian target practice has probably gave the Russians and Chinese incredible insight into weaknesses in state of the art American military technology. And the world is a far less safe place place for it.

The terrorism on our own doorstep is indeed alarming, which is why we shouldn’t bind our foreign policy to the bloodlust of Benjamin Netanyahu. The best case scenario is he loses the election and someone more moderate takes his place.