Britain outside the EU

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

We voted for Brexit, little realising that the Remain camp were going to use every dirty trick in the book to make sure it all went wrong afterwards . . .

How did they do that? Forge BoJo's signature to allow the Boriswave of over 4 million immigrants in?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Brexit hasn’t failed, but our politicians have done.

Do you think BoJo failed us with his Boriswave of 4.2m migrants?

Originally Posted by Carth

We voted for Brexit, little realising that the Remain camp were going to use every dirty trick in the book to make sure it all went wrong afterwards . . .

The Remain camp that wasn't in power?


It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

The Remain camp that wasn't in power?

It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

Seems to be the fashion these days to blame someone else. Back in the day, people would say they called it wrong, we all make mistakes and we'd move on. Their honesty was seen as a strength. These days it's a case of never admit you're wrong, that's seen a sign of weakness. I think the country is poorer with this approach.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Seems to be the fashion these days to blame someone else. Back in the day, people would say they called it wrong, we all make mistakes and we'd move on. Their honesty was seen as a strength. These days it's a case of never admit you're wrong, that's seen a sign of weakness. I think the country is poorer with this approach.

you seem to blame everything on brexit

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

you seem to blame everything on brexit

Can you give me an example of this?

[papa smurf]

i'm not trawling through all that remoaner drivel

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i voted for the side that won, and like every brexiteer that i know i'm still happy with winning,but dissapointed with the political treachery that followed,any hoo you losers can still watch your beloved eurovision pong contest at least you can watch them even if they don't want you.

Ah - the Brexit Barometer. The UK's shittest entry ever exactly mirrored the competence of our governments in delivering the benefits of Brexit.

Labour is the worst; in difficult economic circumstances, those fools plunged the UK into even deeper doldrums by spending what could have been invested on growth, on welfare.

So, you Remainers - put the blame for a botched Brexit where it belongs: with government, particularly Labour. Rejoining the EU while we still have dumb governments will solve nothing.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Carth

We voted for Brexit, little realising that the Remain camp were going to use every dirty trick in the book to make sure it all went wrong afterwards . . .

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

How did they do that? Forge BoJo's signature to allow the Boriswave of over 4 million immigrants in?

Originally Posted by Hugh

The Remain camp that wasn't in power?


It's always someone else's fault, isn't it?

Oh how you soon forget all the legal roadblocks and dead end delaying tactics that the 'Remain Camp' (and their perfect EU) threw at everything put forward to make Brexit work . . . after you'd lost.
Such petty childish behavior, usually seen from spoilt brats throwing tantrums. Maybe, just maybe, some of the crap deals we ended up with are your fault too

oh, late edit: Actually the 'Remain' camp were in power, the Gov. didn't want to leave the EU. The Brexit referendum only went ahead because they 'knew' (as supported by expert evidence and polling LOL) that not many would vote for Brexit. . . . this Gov. still aren't listening to the people either.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Seems to be the fashion these days to blame someone else. Back in the day, people would say they called it wrong, we all make mistakes and we'd move on. Their honesty was seen as a strength. These days it's a case of never admit you're wrong, that's seen a sign of weakness. I think the country is poorer with this approach.

You seem to be asking 17 million people to admit they were wrong.

They weren’t wrong. Incompetent governments let us all down.

There has been no explanation in tangible terms, real terms as distinct from generalities, as to how much better households would be if we remained or rejoined.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

You seem to be asking 17 million people to admit they were wrong.

They weren’t wrong. Incompetent governments let us all down.

There has been no explanation in tangible terms, real terms as distinct from generalities, as to how much better households would be if we remained or rejoined.

Just read the reports. Here's a starting point. https://obr.uk/box/how-are-our-brexi...ns-performing/

But if you're seeking a report specifically explaining how Mr Sephiroth of Wokingham, England will be better off each month then you have set your expectations too high; one might suggest intentionally so.

[Carth]

Do you know what the first thing I read in that link was?

Since the June 2016 EU referendum, our forecasts have incorporated a set of assumptions about the economic impact of Brexit on trade, productivity, investment, and migration

I stopped reading after that, we can all make assumptions based on our own circumstances

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

Do you know what the first thing I read in that link was?

I stopped reading after that, we can all make assumptions based on our own circumstances

You need to continue reading and see if the assumptions are reasonable.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Just read the reports. Here's a starting point. https://obr.uk/box/how-are-our-brexi...ns-performing/

But if you're seeking a report specifically explaining how Mr Sephiroth of Wokingham, England will be better off each month then you have set your expectations too high; one might suggest intentionally so.

This is the paragraph that matters:

Overall, our assumptions about the impact of Brexit appear to be broadly on track and recently published studies are also broadly consistent with these estimates. However, it remains hard to draw firm conclusions given the challenges of disentangling the simultaneous impacts of Brexit, the pandemic, and other geopolitical developments affecting UK and global trade. Trade data are also volatile and prone to revision, particularly trade in services. Moreover, the full implementation of the TCA will further increase barriers to trade in goods with the EU. We expect the total impact of Brexit to be realised several years after full implementation of these barriers. In the meantime, we will keep our Brexit assumptions under review.

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

You need to continue reading and see if the assumptions are reasonable.

No, because an 'assumption' is just a clever word for a 'guess'.

Remember all the experts making 'assumptions' that the Brexit referendum would be a sure thing . . until it wasn't?

[papa smurf]

when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.