Online Safety Bill Etc

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

every device has an off switch,you can also delete the app that offends you.

We are talking about children here, they have a different mindset to adults.

[jem]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

We are talking about children here, they have a different mindset to adults.

Yes, I sort of do have to agree with you here. The obvious ‘delete the app or turn the device off’ argument - well it’s not quite that easy.

Again, I believe it comes down to parental responsibility, teach your children how to deal with this, and it may be little more than, ‘you receive a message that you don’t like, come to us. Show us, it’s fine, we well help you with it’.

That is what I told my daughters when they were younger, and yes, I know that not all parents are like that, they either can’t do it, or frankly can’t be bothered.

But does everyone have to be punished, inconvenience, run the risk of their personal information being lost, just to compensate for bad patenting?

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

The difference is that the bullied are accessible 24/7 and the remarks are there to read again and again.

Only by choice, you can choose to be offline, and choose not to read messages.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

Only by choice, you can choose to be offline, and choose not to read messages.

Bullying is often done via other kids publically talking to each other. They denigrate others and may suggest that they kill themselves because nobody likes them etc. They are bound to come across this and it's well known that kids today are obsessed with social media.

Been on todays news that senior doctors have said that, across the profession, it's believed that social media is now viewed as being as harmful as smoking. They are to consult with the Government to urge them to amend the Online Safety Act to deal with this.

[Itshim]

What are parents for ?

[damien c]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

This was on last night, it shows the tragic effects that cyberbullies can have. It brought tears to my eyes as it was very moving at times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07lsr4d

Blame the left wing lunatics for the all the bullying going on and the lack of effective punishment!

When a parent is not allowed to say no to a child for fear of that child going to school and telling a teacher a load of BS, then that child being believed instantly and the parents being investigated over said BS, it shows kids they can do whatever they want and get away with it.


There is one thing that all bullies need and when they get it, they 99% of time stop bullying, and that is a good crack round the back of the head or shoved in a boxing wrong with someone half their size that knows what they are doing.

Embarrass a bully, or physically bully/dominate the bully and they tend to stop being a bully, but let them get away with it by just "talking to them" and telling them "how much you emotionally hurt" the other person is going to do nothing but tell them "go ahead, bully them more because we are going to jack about it".

Apparently now (based of what happened with my nieces) if a child physically assault's another child in school, nothing happens to that child until it has happened 3 times in multiple stages, each stage requires a complaint, hospital visit, police report, psychological impact study, emotional impact statements etc etc, meanwhile the little bully carries on assaulting kids laughing at the teachers knowing they are going to do nothing.

In the case of my nieces and my cousins kid, it took my brother and his wife, my cousin and his fiancee as well as my sister and her husband to threaten to sue the school and remove their kids from the school, if they did nothing about the assault on the kids, as well as report it to the local and national papers, eventually the school expelled the kid (7 years old) and he was sent to a "Special Needs" school, where he has since physically attacked a teacher, assaulted 2 kids badly enough for them to require hospital stays, and the school cannot expel him because this is the 4th school he has been to due to being expelled everywhere else due to physical violence, at the age of 7!!


I tell you now, that kid will end up locked up before they are 10 because no one will do what is needed, a good smack on the hand each time they hit someone, it's only way kids like that learn!


Stop pandering to the left wing lunatics and teach kids there are consequences to their actions more than just a talking to and they will stop, it's one of the reasons bullying barely happened when I was in school.

[Carth]

Most people know you're right, not many dare admit it

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Bullying is often done via other kids publically talking to each other.

Which has nothing to do with the internet, and therefore by definition, is not cyberbullying.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

Which has nothing to do with the internet, and therefore by definition, is not cyberbullying.

I actually meant publically talking to each other on whichever social media site is used by them & their peers.

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Originally Posted by damien c

Blame the left wing lunatics for the all the bullying going on and the lack of effective punishment!

When a parent is not allowed to say no to a child for fear of that child going to school and telling a teacher a load of BS, then that child being believed instantly and the parents being investigated over said BS, it shows kids they can do whatever they want and get away with it.


There is one thing that all bullies need and when they get it, they 99% of time stop bullying, and that is a good crack round the back of the head or shoved in a boxing wrong with someone half their size that knows what they are doing.

Embarrass a bully, or physically bully/dominate the bully and they tend to stop being a bully, but let them get away with it by just "talking to them" and telling them "how much you emotionally hurt" the other person is going to do nothing but tell them "go ahead, bully them more because we are going to jack about it".

Apparently now (based of what happened with my nieces) if a child physically assault's another child in school, nothing happens to that child until it has happened 3 times in multiple stages, each stage requires a complaint, hospital visit, police report, psychological impact study, emotional impact statements etc etc, meanwhile the little bully carries on assaulting kids laughing at the teachers knowing they are going to do nothing.

In the case of my nieces and my cousins kid, it took my brother and his wife, my cousin and his fiancee as well as my sister and her husband to threaten to sue the school and remove their kids from the school, if they did nothing about the assault on the kids, as well as report it to the local and national papers, eventually the school expelled the kid (7 years old) and he was sent to a "Special Needs" school, where he has since physically attacked a teacher, assaulted 2 kids badly enough for them to require hospital stays, and the school cannot expel him because this is the 4th school he has been to due to being expelled everywhere else due to physical violence, at the age of 7!!


I tell you now, that kid will end up locked up before they are 10 because no one will do what is needed, a good smack on the hand each time they hit someone, it's only way kids like that learn!


Stop pandering to the left wing lunatics and teach kids there are consequences to their actions more than just a talking to and they will stop, it's one of the reasons bullying barely happened when I was in school.

The argument against this is that telling children that violence is wrong & never the answer & then using violence against them is hypocritical & sends out the wrong message. Some can learn to behave with the use of non violent methods.

On the other hand, when all other efforts have been exhausted, a beating may be the only option left with some of them.

I know a teacher, exasperated with one child and unable to do anything official of use to get him to behave, took him into a corner and unofficially threatened him with an adult type beating. It worked.

[Carth]

A clip around the side of the head isn't really violence is it.

Grabbing someone by the throat, twisting their arm high up their back and smashing their head into a wall with a follow up kicking is violence.

Originally Posted by Carth

A clip around the side of the head isn't really violence is it.

Grabbing someone by the throat, twisting their arm high up their back and smashing their head into a wall with a follow up kicking is violence.

Try it with a copper or someone working in a shop and see if they agree with your interpretation...

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Try it with a copper or someone working in a shop and see if they agree with your interpretation...

I remember when 'coppers' used to do it, you didn't piss around in front of the local bobby back then

Kids now don't give two monkeys because they know they're untouchable

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

I remember when 'coppers' used to do it, you didn't piss around in front of the local bobby back then

Kids now don't give two monkeys because they know they're untouchable

there dads aren't

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

I actually meant publically talking to each other on whichever social media site is used by them & their peers.

Which just goes back to my previous point.

Originally Posted by Paul

.. you can choose to be offline, and choose not to read messages.

[RichardCoulter]

Originally Posted by Paul

Which just goes back to my previous point.

Children of today have a different mindset to adults and us when we were Children. To them it would be unthinkable not to be part of social media.

Also, it's better to deal with the bullies than let them carry on humiliating/denigrating their victims behind their back. You can bet your life that the other kids will let the victim know what's been said the day after at school.

Parents of children that have taken their own lives met with the PM today to urge him to stand up to platform owners, key takeaways from the meeting include:

Timeline for Action: Starmer told parents and campaigners that "game-changing" efforts to tackle online harm would be announced in "weeks, not months" rather than years.

The Parents' Demands: Families carried photos of their children and urged the government to show the "political courage" to ban social media for children under 16 until platforms can definitively prove they are safe.

Parental Access to Data: Several parents highlighted the tragic fact that they still cannot access their late children's online data to find out what content influenced their deaths, pushing the PM for legislative change on this front.