Reform UK's chronicles

[Jaymoss]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I aspire to be as even-handed and open-minded as you…

That is a more sophisticated way of saying I am rubber you are glue

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

I aspire to be as even-handed and open-minded as you…

….. like I said.

Enough of the jibes at each other.

Apologies…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Apologies…

Ditto,

[jem]

Originally Posted by Paul

Enough of the jibes at each other.

Now yes, although I can see that the jibes are faintly entertaining, they do nothing to advance the thread or provide valuable information. Nigel is not a perfect human being, he’s done some stuff, made some comments, which might well make someone go ‘oh wait, what was that again?’

On the other hand, he has made some claims and promises which do resonate with a large number of people. Whether of not these claims stand up to scrutiny or if the promises are possible, is open to debate. If you disagree, don’t attack the person (that goes nowhere), but argue their points, argue their position, argue their policy.

I've said it before and I feel the need to say it again, it is very easy for a popularism politician to propose simple solutions to what are really complex issues. It's all the fault of the ‘Jews, immigrants, muslims, unmarried mothers, left-handed people <insert minority group here>’ get rid of them and magically we’ll be living in Utopia!

Be very, very careful what you wish for, because sometimes with the best will of intentions, you end up with Auschwitz.

[Sephiroth]

Well said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p4g86x0vo

Kent County Council is introducing the Lord's Prayer and the national anthem at its meetings.

The Reform UK-run local authority voted for each meeting to begin with a recital of the prayer and conclude with the singing of the anthem.

The constitutional amendments were put forward after debate in a council committee earlier in May and backed by Reform, but opposed by many opposition councillors.

In total 48 representatives voted to support the Lord's Prayer proposal and 46 to support the national anthem.

Amendments to instead have a period of reflection prior to meetings instead of the Lord's Prayer, and to have a time gap between the prayer and the meeting's start, both failed…

… A proposal to reduce the time opposition leaders had to respond to leader speeches at full council meetings, from a combined 22 minutes to 17 minutes, was also voted through.

In total 44 voted in favour of that change and 25 voted against it.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p4g86x0vo

I didn't think we were a secular country? It also strikes me as a less efficient use of time and reduced opposition scrutiny.

But I don't know how the length of time opposition leaders have to respond to leader speeches at full council meetings in other councils.

[jem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2p4g86x0vo

And why do you think they have done this? It’s to promote ‘outrage’ and so Reform can claim, with some justification, to being the ‘patriotic’ ‘UK first’ party against this who hate the UK and our traditions, etc!

Also a majority off people in the UK will claim to be Christian although never go to Church unless it’s followed by a reception or wake, with free or cheap food and booze! So an attack on, let’s say, ‘Christian values’ can spark a response which isnlt really meritted.

Personally, I’m an atheist, simply because I have no good reason to suspect that a God exists. But if I happened to be a councillor in Kent, would I kick up a massive fuss about it? No. Because that’s exactly what Reform want - I might well think it a waste of time, but in the great scheme of things, when considering local authority waste - it’s probably close to, if not right at the bottom.

Similarly singing the National Anthem after each meeting. I’d be very interested to see how long that lasts, or indeed how many Reform councillors actually stay and sing it after the first month or so.

No this is a sort of troll-like action. Do something which is intended to simply stir uo opposition and then use that to criticise your opponents. Don’t fall for it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by jem

And why do you think they have done this? It’s to promote ‘outrage’ and so Reform can claim, with some justification, to being the ‘patriotic’ ‘UK first’ party against this who hate the UK and our traditions, etc!

Also a majority off people in the UK will claim to be Christian although never go to Church unless it’s followed by a reception or wake, with free or cheap food and booze! So an attack on, let’s say, ‘Christian values’ can spark a response which isnlt really meritted.

Personally, I’m an atheist, simply because I have no good reason to suspect that a God exists. But if I happened to be a councillor in Kent, would I kick up a massive fuss about it? No. Because that’s exactly what Reform want - I might well think it a waste of time, but in the great scheme of things, when considering local authority waste - it’s probably close to, if not right at the bottom.

Similarly singing the National Anthem after each meeting. I’d be very interested to see how long that lasts, or indeed how many Reform councillors actually stay and sing it after the first month or so.

No this is a sort of troll-like action. Do something which is intended to simply stir uo opposition and then use that to criticise your opponents. Don’t fall for it.

I reckon it's utter gollox to waste everyone's time with a prayer and the anthem. Unfortunately it antagonises the other council parties because they wish to be antagonised. So a futile waste of time and effort and I agree with your "troll like" sentiment..

But I'd like to take you up on a side matter - what I highlighted I would claim that the UK is historically of Judeo-Christian culture; atheists generally fit well into this because they respect the religions and adopt the culture.

Same cannot be said of the Islamists who are trying hard to mess with our culture.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Farage from Foreign Accounts has changed his story more times than Sir Keir changes his policies, so I thought I'd best summarise where we are:

• It was initially a gift of £5m with no conditions attached.
• Then it became a payment for the purpose of security.
• Then it became a payment for his Brexit campaigning.
• £1.4m of the £5m wasn't used to pay for his house, because the house was funded from his I'm a Celebrity appearance.
• His accounts show the house wasn't bought using funds from his I'm a Celebrity appearance.

Farage may be able to fool some people but I suspect the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner won't be one of them.

If there is a by-election in Southend, will British Reform voters be as forgiving as American MAGA voters? Perhaps his flock will fall for a line about his being victimised by the establishment? He can at least draw upon his Coutts Bank experience to back up this line.

I'm confused now, if the 5 million quid was for security, why is he still not holding surgeries in Clacton?

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm confused now, if the 5 million quid was for security, why is he still not holding surgeries in Clacton?

Maybe OB knows.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm confused now, if the 5 million quid was for security, why is he still not holding surgeries in Clacton?

Does he know where Clacton is ?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I'm confused now, if the 5 million quid was for security, why is he still not holding surgeries in Clacton?

Maybe there just aren't enough interpreters available?