The gender ideology thread

The SPS said that inmates identifying as trans male, trans female, non-binary or gender fluid made up less than 1% of the Scottish prison population.

gender fluid ! ?
They are seriously taking the pee, utter nonsense thats got out of control.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Paul

gender fluid ! ?
They are seriously taking the pee, utter nonsense thats got out of control.

That I guess would be the they/them people. They may feel like a woman one day and a bloke the next or go between the two.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e2rj3zj02o

Toilets and changing rooms must be used on basis of biological sex, guidance confirms.

Single-sex spaces - such as changing rooms and toilets - must be used on the basis of biological sex, new guidance from the equalities watchdog has confirmed.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Paul

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e2rj3zj02o

Watching this on sky news , some spokesperson from sex matters said…

A trans person who is male to female should not be using the female toilets

However

A trans person who is female to male should not be using the female toilets also

[thenry]

Use the disabled toilets. Equality at its best.

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I mean they must be disabled after binning their gonads

Originally Posted by thenry

Use the disabled toilets. Equality at its best.

Unclear if you read it, but it does actually suggest that.

The watchdog said it did not think the requirements would be too onerous as services could decide to let trans people use toilets for disabled people, for example.

[nomadking]

Don't see what all the fuss is about. All worked fine for many decades.
Don't think there's a law banning biological males from biological female areas. Just that organisations and individuals can put up signs, object to, and take action if it happens.
It's the Equality Act we're talking about, which doesn't have any criminal aspect to it. Just about whether something counts as discrimination.
Doesn't have to be "policed" or anything new.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Watching this on sky news , some spokesperson from sex matters said…

A trans person who is male to female should not be using the female toilets

However

A trans person who is female to male should not be using the female toilets also

That’s not quite what Sex Matters has been saying.

If it was Helen Joyce you were watching (it may have been, as she was very much doing the media round) she will have objected to the premise of the question, first of all, by pointing out that almost nowhere these days has separate male and female toilets but no ‘third space’ - what we still, erroneously, call the ‘disabled toilet’ but is in law performing a more general function as an accessible space, including baby change if there’s no room for another separate area. Overwhelmingly, smaller venues have self-contained lockable facilities that are for all users. In the *tiny* number of places where this is an issue, the primary concern is the safety and dignity of women, who have a greater need of segregated facilities.

Addressing the ‘but what about the sad transvestites’ question (which large swathes of the media seems to have decided to use as its framing), she pointed out that very, very few women undergo such radical transformation that another woman can’t tell she’s a woman. There may be a tiny number of cases where a woman has so radically transformed her appearance that she looks like a man, that she causes distress to women in the women’s toilet. In such cases it might be simpler for her to use the men’s, again, in the tiny number of cases where there’s a separate men and women toilet but no third space.

But once more, I’d draw your attention to the way the issue has been framed here. You are talking about a vanishingly small number of situations where a woman has genuinely made herself look like a man (far less frequent than you think) and there is no third space (a.k.a. ‘Disabled toilet’). And in focusing on this question you ignore a couple of important points.

Overwhelmingly, the middle aged cross dressers are not women cosplaying as men, they are men cosplaying as women. Be in no doubt that it is male entitlement that is driving this - trans activism is, overwhelmingly, turbo-charged misogyny, which exploits neurodiverse children, people with DSDs (disorders of sexual development, erroneously also called ‘intersex’) and trauma-surviving women as human shields. It is by far the most pernicious social contagion of the modern age and sociologists and others will spill gallons of ink over it in the decades to come.

The much greater problem here, and the one that led to the Scottish Government getting rinsed by the Supreme Court last year, is the issue of women’s rights to safety and dignity, segregated toilets being one of the most visible provisions in pursuit of that aim. Whataboutery is how trans activism has gaslit society for the past 15 years, and it has to stop. Women are deserving of their protections and their rights must not be subordinated.