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Do I care what you think
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
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Originally Posted by Hugh
No, it should be a tautology - remember, you’re a parent yourself…
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Mine are doing very well for them selfs. Thank you. The great grandchildren don't have any sort of phone . Internet is closely monitored (HAVE NO IDEA HOW) Yes it down to family. Pity we have such a questionable past . Which no doubt they be told about it time. 
Tautogy is
An empty or vacuous statement composed of simpler statements in a fashion that makes it logically true whether the simpler statements are factually true or false; for example, the statement Either it will rain tomorrow or it will not rain tomorrow. Not sure what your point is , guess when l look tomorrow you will have explained
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06-05-2026, 20:52
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
In English Language, tautology is the needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word - so my meaning was that being a parent one is responsible for one’s children…
You appear to be confusing linguistic tautology with logical tautology.
You stated
"Isn't parents and responsibilities an oxymoron" - oxymoron is a a figure of speech combining two contradictory or opposing words, which implies you meant parenting doesn’t involve responsibility…
So not sure what your point is…
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Yesterday, 07:40
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Do I care what you think
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
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Originally Posted by Hugh
No, it should be a tautology - remember, you’re a parent yourself…
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh
In English Language, tautology is the needless repetition of an idea, statement, or word - so my meaning was that being a parent one is responsible for one’s children…
You appear to be confusing linguistic tautology with logical tautology.
You stated
"Isn't parents and responsibilities an oxymoron" - oxymoron is a a figure of speech combining two contradictory or opposing words, which implies you meant parenting doesn’t involve responsibility…
So not sure what your point is…
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My point is parents don't take responsibility, so you did understand just choose not to. Nothing new then.
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Yesterday, 08:00
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
You probably accidentally left out the word "some", as the all-encompassing "parents" is obviously not true, as you provide an example that you yourself (as I am sure lots of other parents do) took responsibility…
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Yesterday, 10:12
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
Gosh all this 'parental responsibility' stuff is interesting isn't it.
I'm sure the decline in standards had nothing at all to do with Governments deciding to severely restrict the ways that parents (and teachers) could punish kids for being unruly tearaways.
People of my age (ha) grew up with a clip round the earhole from parents (and the local bobby), and got the cane at school for being naughty. This taught two valuable lessons:
1) you didn't do it again
2) if you did it again, you adapted so you didn't get caught.
nowadays kids don't care . .
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Yesterday, 11:43
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
You’re not wrong, Carth. This country needs a major reset.
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
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Originally Posted by Carth
Gosh all this 'parental responsibility' stuff is interesting isn't it.
I'm sure the decline in standards had nothing at all to do with Governments deciding to severely restrict the ways that parents (and teachers) could punish kids for being unruly tearaways.
People of my age (ha) grew up with a clip round the earhole from parents (and the local bobby), and got the cane at school for being naughty. This taught two valuable lessons:
1) you didn't do it again
2) if you did it again, you adapted so you didn't get caught.
nowadays kids don't care . .
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Opponents of punishment for unacceptable behaviour say that we tell kids not to fight & that violence is not the answer, but then go on to encourage this by using physical punishment against them.
I can see their point, but we now have the benefit of hindsight after ceasing physical punishment for children and look where it's got us?
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I think this says it all, more idiots who have no clue.
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Could websites not simply ban all known VPN's to achieve this, or isn't it as easy as this?
Would it be possible to use a non blocked VPN to across another preferred, but blocked, VPN?
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Yesterday, 14:41
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
Why should websites - that have already followed the rules and regulations - now be tasked with the further responsibility of trying to sort out a 'knock-on' problem that any fool but the Government could see coming a mile off.
The 'experts' screwed up, let them come up with a solution 
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Yesterday, 14:58
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
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Originally Posted by Carth
Why should websites - that have already followed the rules and regulations - now be tasked with the further responsibility of trying to sort out a 'knock-on' problem that any fool but the Government could see coming a mile off.
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Legislation could be introduced to force them to ban VPN's, so they'd have to comply to remain within the law. As we've seen with age verification though, some may decide to ignore the legislation or refuse to comply with it, meaning that the ball would then get in Ofcom's court.
I'm interested to know how those that comply could technically do it.
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Yesterday, 15:46
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
Legislation could be introduced to force them to ban VPN's, so they'd have to comply to remain within the law. As we've seen with age verification though, some may decide to ignore the legislation or refuse to comply with it, meaning that the ball would then get in Ofcom's court.
I'm interested to know how those that comply could technically do it.
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Yesterday, 16:20
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Re: Online Safety Bill Etc
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
Legislation could be introduced to force them to ban VPN's, so they'd have to comply to remain within the law. As we've seen with age verification though, some may decide to ignore the legislation or refuse to comply with it, meaning that the ball would then get in Ofcom's court.
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Any such attempt would be doomed to fail.
You cannot force websites to block VPNs since they can be used by anyone in the world.
Sites are not going to block visitors from the rest of the world because the UK tells them to.
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