MPs to vote on smoking ban for those born after 2009

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by jfman

Is his point not that they are (within a reasonable margin of error) pretty much the same across the whole spectrum?

It doesn’t require anything more than someone who favours banning but not the other to consider why the same doesn’t apply and what the difference is. If your point would be that it’s not as addictive then fine. But I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss the comparison as whataboutery.

(For the declaration I don’t smoke but do enjoy the odd beer, rum or glass of wine)

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I think there’s something in the fact very many people can enjoy drinking in moderation in a way that isn’t often found in smokers. Growing up I knew of far more adults who smoked 20 or 30 a day, those still alive now paying the price in terms of their health, than would sit and drink to excess daily or even weekly.

That’s not to say there aren’t people who do, or that their addictions haven’t caused the same or worse financial, social or health impacts.

Not sure there are people who only smoke when they they drink, there’s those who smoke <= 10 a day, then you get to my level at about 20 a day and then you can move up the scale to 40/60 a day. Although I don’t know many in that last bracket


One thing this will most likely lead to is an increase in the production/consumption of counterfeit cigarettes and the lovingly known as ‘fag houses’

[Hom3r]

Someone said on the news smokers bad health costs more than the money cigarettes bring in.


I remember walking in to the Holiday camp bar the day before the ban i could see the wall on the other side.


the following day I could see the wall outside the window.


The trouble is some (not all) smokers think they have a god given right to smoke anywhere, once where I worked we had a fire alarm and the second they got out they stopped to light up, and stopped people evacuating.


The evacuation was due to a suspected gas leak, the company had a no smoking on site, especially during a drill.


they all got written warnings.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Not sure there are people who only smoke when they they drink, there’s those who smoke <= 10 a day, then you get to my level at about 20 a day and then you can move up the scale to 40/60 a day. Although I don’t know many in that last bracket


One thing this will most likely lead to is an increase in the production/consumption of counterfeit cigarettes and the lovingly known as ‘fag houses’

I used to be a social smoker. Only smoking on a weekend when out. Never ever touched one during the day or during the week.

I think it could be a good thing especially for people's health.

Originally Posted by Hom3r

Someone said on the news smokers bad health costs more than the money cigarettes bring in.


I remember walking in to the Holiday camp bar the day before the ban i could see the wall on the other side.


the following day I could see the wall outside the window.


The trouble is some (not all) smokers think they have a god given right to smoke anywhere, once where I worked we had a fire alarm and the second they got out they stopped to light up, and stopped people evacuating.


The evacuation was due to a suspected gas leak, the company had a no smoking on site, especially during a drill.


they all got written warnings.

That happened at nearly every place I worked. As soon as smoker came out during an evacuation or drill they would light up no matter what.

[Mr K]

Remember similar whinging when smoking was banned in pubs and indoor spaces. All good moves that nobody would dream on going back on now.

Originally Posted by Paul

You have to be 18 already, so anyone born in 2009 could not buy them until at least 2027 atm.

Also, its a ban on buying them, not smoking them (if someone else buys them for you).

I expect many will just turn to vaping as well, which doesnt seem that much better.

This finally became law the other day.

[Dude111]

I just would love knowing how they are gonna enforce this!!

[nomadking]

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Not going to be a simple question of whether somebody is 18 years old or not, but when they became 18 years old.
Also some restrictions on vaping.

Vaping will be banned in cars carrying children, in playgrounds and outside schools and at hospitals, expanding smoke-free laws.

Originally Posted by nomadking

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Not going to be a simple question of whether somebody is 18 years old or not, but when they became 18 years old.
Also some restrictions on vaping.

It’s certainly more complicated to enforce than the usual ‘no under 18s’ restrictions, however any retailer that’s consistently following the ‘Challenge 25’ principle shouldn’t get caught out, initially at least.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

It’s certainly more complicated to enforce than the usual ‘no under 18s’ restrictions, however any retailer that’s consistently following the ‘Challenge 25’ principle shouldn’t get caught out, initially at least.

Even with "Challenge 25", the check is to see if they're over 18, nothing more. An assumption of being over 18 can be made if they definitely look over 25.

[papa smurf]

reality check
Within 200 mtrs of my house i can buy 20 cigs for £3-50 and the people selling them don't care how old you are, there is more black market tobacco on sale than legal tobacco, this fight is already lost,

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Chris

It’s certainly more complicated to enforce than the usual ‘no under 18s’ restrictions, however any retailer that’s consistently following the ‘Challenge 25’ principle shouldn’t get caught out, initially at least.

Ultimately everyone will need to be asked for ID I'm guessing


People born in 2009 will probably have plenty of opportunity to buy for their friends who are a few months younger

Originally Posted by nomadking

Even with "Challenge 25", the check is to see if they're over 18, nothing more. An assumption of being over 18 can be made if they definitely look over 25.

Indeed, however acceptable ID always has an actual date of birth on it, so someone producing ID to show they are over 18 is at the same time also proving precisely what age they are.

There are very few 18 year olds who actually look older than 25, certainly not to people whose job it is to make that assessment on a daily basis. That’s why age 25 was chosen.

[Itshim]

What's really frightening is back in the 60's. My then doctor told to smoke menthol cigarettes to help with my hayfever. I never did but still

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Itshim

What's really frightening is back in the 60's. My then doctor told to smoke menthol cigarettes to help with my hayfever. I never did but still

I was once pointed towards herbal cigarettes, only tried the one, it was like smoking compost

[thenry]

I smoked while at secondary school. You'll be surprised how many shop staff asked for id in the early 2000's. I hardly ever asked someone to buy cigarettes for me.