President Trump 2.0

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Impeachment wouldn’t be successful, as it requires 2/3rds supermajority in the Senate, I believe

Yes and sadly we dont have nearly enough SANE PEOPLE here to do that!!

Interesting article (imho) in The Atlantic, which sums up Trump’s modus operandi.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/20...campaign=share

Everyone but Trump Understands What He’s Done

Allied leaders know that any positive gesture they make will count for nothing.

Donald Trump does not think strategically. Nor does he think historically, geographically, or even rationally. He does not connect actions he takes on one day to events that occur weeks later. He does not think about how his behavior in one place will change the behavior of other people in other places.

He does not consider the wider implications of his decisions. He does not take responsibility when these decisions go wrong. Instead, he acts on whim and impulse, and when he changes his mind—when he feels new whims and new impulses—he simply lies about whatever he said or did before.

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has declared that Canada will not participate in the “offensive operations of Israel and the U.S., and it never will.” German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius says, “This is not our war, and we didn’t start it.” The Spanish prime minister refused to let the United States use bases for the beginning of the war. The U.K. and France might send some ships to protect their own bases or allies in the Gulf, but neither will send their soldiers or sailors into offensive operations started without their assent.

This isn’t cowardice. It’s a calculation: If allied leaders thought that their sacrifice might count for something in Washington, they might choose differently. But most of them have stopped trying to find the hidden logic behind Trump’s actions, and they understand that any contribution they make will count for nothing. A few days or weeks later, Trump will not even remember that it happened.

In case the above link is limited

https://archive.ph/XdXBm

[Dude111]

Trump is an idiot who is off his hinges!!

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Damien

I am confused by your position where you seem to accept it's a stupid war, accept that Trump isn't acting rationally here, but think we should have supported it and him because it's the USA?

Likewise.

Trump's transactional regime preaches America First and does not reward loyalty.

We saw what happened when Blair dragged us into Bush's Iraq War and we learnt the hard way about getting involved in such misadventures.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Likewise.

Trump's transactional regime preaches America First and does not reward loyalty.

We saw what happened when Blair dragged us into Bush's Iraq War and we learnt the hard way about getting involved in such misadventures.

It's not transactional though, all those gulf States bought his crappy crypto for billions thinking they'd be safe, they bought him planes and all sorts and its still got them no where, just like when he robbed his contractors for his whole business life

I bet a lot of Americans (and others) are now wishing Thomas Crooks was a better shot.

[Carth]

Probably the only one for a while that's had the ear of Trump

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Your unbridled enthusiasm for the UK to become a vassal state is unbecoming of you. Trump should be happy that other countries buy into his philosophy of putting national interests first.

Not at all, Andrew.

I'm advocating sensible diplomacy by the UK toward the USA with the aim of protecting the special relationship (which has important implications for trade). This could have been achieved had Starmer simply not disallowed the USA to use our bases.

Reprisal from Trump, which we don't need, can be expected.

But whatever we would have done would not have been enough - that’s how he works.

If we had let him use our bases for the initial strikes, he would then have wanted us to use our military in active support.

With Trump there is no "Special Relationship", and if you think there is, your anti-Starmer hatred is blinding you to that reality.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Not at all, Andrew.

I'm advocating sensible diplomacy by the UK toward the USA with the aim of protecting the special relationship (which has important implications for trade). This could have been achieved had Starmer simply not disallowed the USA to use our bases.

Reprisal from Trump, which we don't need, can be expected.

The sPeCiAl ReLaTiOnShIp is political theatre that waxes and wanes. The actual security co-operation between the UK and the US, is the actual special thing, and that itself is fine. It exists at the operational level and is resilient to political whims. That’s not to say it can’t be put in peril by Trump’s continuing behaviour. Just that it’s unlikely someone as dim-witted and erratic as Donald Trump is capable of issuing the correct instructions to that part of the American state that would result in such peril.

All that said, you need to stop trying to understand Trump as some sort of rational actor who can be dealt with rationally. He isn’t and he can’t. He is dumb as bricks. He doesn’t play 5D chess. He says and does whatever makes him feel good at any given moment because he is a malignant narcissist in neurological decline. Starmer’s recent responses to Trump suggest the British state is finally understanding this and acting accordingly.

[Sephiroth]

Then Starmer should have been working on a viable plan that protects our economy - other than by giving our independence away to the EU.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But whatever we would have done would not have been enough - that’s how he works.

If we had let him use our bases for the in7strikes, he would then have wanted us to use our military in active support.

Yes and im glad your people told him to stick it Hugh!!

Trying to get you guys involved is a disgrace!!

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Yes and im glad your people told him to stick it Hugh!!

Trying to get you guys involved is a disgrace!!

Didn't you vote for him, this shouldn't becoming as much of a shock to you

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then Starmer should have been working on a viable plan that protects our economy - other than by giving our independence away to the EU.

[Dingbat]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Then Starmer should have been working on a viable plan that protects our economy - other than by giving our independence away to the EU.

Agree with the first half of your sentence, but it went downhill after that.

If nothing else, having an unpredictable narcissist in charge of the US, who changes his mind every time someone speaks to him, makes working closer with the neighbours more important than ever.