Jeffery Epstein and friends

[papa smurf]

commons speaker grasses on Mandy

Politics latest: Commons Speaker passed Mandelson information to police - Starmer facing PMQs

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...enoch-12593360

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jem

I think there is something more to consider here.

Why has this all happened now? Is it because the US has released a trove of evidence which has made it impossible to cover up; or did the UK security services know this all the time and either failed to report it to the Government (which I think is unlikely), or were the UK security services completely incompetent and didn’t know know any of this stuff (which I also think is unlikely), or was this all well known, but nobody did anything so as to 'not rock the boat’, not bring the monarchy into disrepute? Well, fine well done, that worked out really well didn’t it?

Evidence of what exactly?
The wilful misinterpretations(to paraphrase Jane Austen) the media are putting on things is ridiculous and sinister.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Evidence of what exactly?
The wilful misinterpretations(to paraphrase Jane Austen) the media are putting on things is ridiculous and sinister.

Who knows, what's come out already leads you to think its much more than just a sex trafficking ring though

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who knows, what's come out already leads you to think its much more than just a sex trafficking ring though

"leads you to think" as in nothing in the way of evidence. No force or coercion involved. Even the Maxwell jury didn't think that.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Evidence of what exactly?
The wilful misinterpretations(to paraphrase Jane Austen) the media are putting on things is ridiculous and sinister.

<insert obligatory observation about the tedious nature of your inevitably contrarian take-du-jour>

Originally Posted by nomadking

"leads you to think" as in nothing in the way of evidence. No force or coercion involved. Even the Maxwell jury didn't think that.

You appear to be putting a positive spin on someone who was found guilty of conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport minors to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor to participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...sexually-abuse

From at least 1994, up to and including in or about 2004, GHISLAINE MAXWELL assisted, facilitated, and participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18. The victims were as young as 14 years old when they were groomed and abused by Maxwell and Epstein, both of whom knew that their victims were in fact minors. As a part and in furtherance of their scheme to abuse minor victims, Maxwell and Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to Epstein’s residences in different states, which Maxwell knew and intended would result in their grooming for and subjection to sexual abuse.

Grooming is coercive behaviour…

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...exual-grooming

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

"leads you to think" as in nothing in the way of evidence. No force or coercion involved. Even the Maxwell jury didn't think that.

The evidence is the people involved, politicians, big businesses men, in other words people intelligence services the world over would love to have something on, if you think this is just about a pervert and his chums you are in for a big surprise, oh and I thought that's exactly what the maxwell jury found her guilty of, coercion

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to be putting a positive spin on someone who was found guilty of conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport minors to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor to participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...sexually-abuse



Grooming is coercive behaviour…

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...exual-grooming

Well put

[nomadking]

And how much of this recently published "evidence" has anything to do with that? It's just information with a wilful spin put on it.
So any examples of proven wrongdoing in this recent set of "revelations"?

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Here's a good example of the wilfulness of the media.
Link

Professor Stephen Hawking is seen grinning from ear to ear, sandwiched between two bikini-clad women in a photo released in the Jeffrey Epstein files.The Cambridge theoretical physicist and the two women are shown holding what appear to be fruity cocktails as they bask in the sunshine.

Then.....
Link

The bikini-clad women who posed with Professor Stephen Hawking in a photograph included in the Epstein files were his long-term carers, the late scientist's family has claimed.
...
They added that the photo was taken at the Ritz Carlton Hotel on the Caribbean island of St Thomas in 2006.
Hawking posed for the image after having delivered a speech on Quantum Cosmology at a science symposium, his family said.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

And how much of this recently published "evidence" has anything to do with that? It's just information with a wilful spin put on it.
So any examples of proven wrongdoing in this recent set of "revelations"?

Chris is right, you are just a contrarian and nothing short of a full written confession from the agencies involved will satisfy you and I can't be bothered with your tireless rebuttaling so I'm going to leave it there with you but before I stop I'll just throw this out for other members to digest, newly released US Department of Justice files show epstein had extensive long term ties to several intelligence agencies particularly Mossad, a 2020 FBI informant was convinced epstein was a co opted mossad agent, leaked emails from the epsten files showed he brokered agreements between Israel and Mongolia and the ivory Coast, Ehud Barak features heavily in the epstein files, Alex Acosta gave him that sweetheart deal reportedly due to him being told by higher ups that he was a CIA asset, Polands government investigated epstein for links between him and Russian intelligence services but other than that there's nothing linking him to anything apart from his ties to the arms trade early in his career but as a counter balance, Alan Dersowitch says he'd have been a liability!

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Chris is right, you are just a contrarian and nothing short of a full written confession from the agencies involved will satisfy you and I can't be bothered with your tireless rebuttaling so I'm going to leave it there with you but before I stop I'll just throw this out for other members to digest, newly released US Department of Justice files show epstein had extensive long term ties to several intelligence agencies particularly Mossad, a 2020 FBI informant was convinced epstein was a co opted mossad agent, leaked emails from the epsten files showed he brokered agreements between Israel and Mongolia and the ivory Coast, Ehud Barak features heavily in the epstein files, Alex Acosta gave him that sweetheart deal reportedly due to him being told by higher ups that he was a CIA asset, Polands government investigated epstein for links between him and Russian intelligence services but other than that there's nothing linking him to anything apart from his ties to the arms trade early in his career but as a counter balance, Alan Dersowitch says he'd have been a liability!

So nothing sex related, which is what the release of documents was meant to be about and for which others are being forced to resign etc. How much evidence of that is there? I gave a very recent example(many others exist) of where the media have wilfully misled people. That is undeniable. It makes it increasingly difficult to know what is true and what isn't.
Not sure "a FBI informant believes" is proof of anything.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by nomadking

So nothing sex related, which is what the release of documents was meant to be about and for which others are being forced to resign etc. How much evidence of that is there? I gave a very recent example(many others exist) of where the media have wilfully misled people. That is undeniable. It makes it increasingly difficult to know what is true and what isn't.
Not sure "a FBI informant believes" is proof of anything.

The media (mostly) are mischievous in the evil sense. For example, they've seeded the scare that Mauritius could sue the UK for the billions they might lose of the Chagos deal fails.

In respect of Mandy and AM-B, for whom I have no respect, the media will be up to every trick in the book.

Of course, I exclude the Torygraph and GB News from my criticism.

[Carth]

The media (especially the written) are just arsewipes looking for clicks.

"Man Kills Kids To Feed Family"

turns out to be nothing more than a story of a Mongolian goat herder putting meat on the table because the local Asda is 40 miles away.

Personally I'm just fed up of hearing about "Epstein" and his files.

[jem]

Originally Posted by Paul

Personally I'm just fed up of hearing about "Epstein" and his files.

Which is fair enough; but it does appear that a number of people (young girls) were abused by people who assumed that their status or power or wealth made them ‘above the law; which only apples to little people’, not them.

Oh dear.

No sorry Paul, but I think you are absolutely wrong, this needs to continue, there needs to be more and more exposure of evidence. Let everyone see how the ‘great and the good’ behaved.

Ands then let people make purchasing choices based on that!

[Carth]

I agree with Paul, it's 'in your face' just too much.

Yes I realise some prominent people are linked with naughty things, do I need to know all the intricate details? No, not really thanks