Jeffery Epstein and friends

[papa smurf]

commons speaker grasses on Mandy

Politics latest: Commons Speaker passed Mandelson information to police - Starmer facing PMQs

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-...enoch-12593360

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jem

I think there is something more to consider here.

Why has this all happened now? Is it because the US has released a trove of evidence which has made it impossible to cover up; or did the UK security services know this all the time and either failed to report it to the Government (which I think is unlikely), or were the UK security services completely incompetent and didn’t know know any of this stuff (which I also think is unlikely), or was this all well known, but nobody did anything so as to 'not rock the boat’, not bring the monarchy into disrepute? Well, fine well done, that worked out really well didn’t it?

Evidence of what exactly?
The wilful misinterpretations(to paraphrase Jane Austen) the media are putting on things is ridiculous and sinister.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Evidence of what exactly?
The wilful misinterpretations(to paraphrase Jane Austen) the media are putting on things is ridiculous and sinister.

Who knows, what's come out already leads you to think its much more than just a sex trafficking ring though

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Who knows, what's come out already leads you to think its much more than just a sex trafficking ring though

"leads you to think" as in nothing in the way of evidence. No force or coercion involved. Even the Maxwell jury didn't think that.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Evidence of what exactly?
The wilful misinterpretations(to paraphrase Jane Austen) the media are putting on things is ridiculous and sinister.

<insert obligatory observation about the tedious nature of your inevitably contrarian take-du-jour>

Originally Posted by nomadking

"leads you to think" as in nothing in the way of evidence. No force or coercion involved. Even the Maxwell jury didn't think that.

You appear to be putting a positive spin on someone who was found guilty of conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport minors to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor to participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...sexually-abuse

From at least 1994, up to and including in or about 2004, GHISLAINE MAXWELL assisted, facilitated, and participated in Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse of minor girls by, among other things, helping Epstein to recruit, groom, and ultimately abuse victims known to Maxwell and Epstein to be under the age of 18. The victims were as young as 14 years old when they were groomed and abused by Maxwell and Epstein, both of whom knew that their victims were in fact minors. As a part and in furtherance of their scheme to abuse minor victims, Maxwell and Epstein enticed and caused minor victims to travel to Epstein’s residences in different states, which Maxwell knew and intended would result in their grooming for and subjection to sexual abuse.

Grooming is coercive behaviour…

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...exual-grooming

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by nomadking

"leads you to think" as in nothing in the way of evidence. No force or coercion involved. Even the Maxwell jury didn't think that.

The evidence is the people involved, politicians, big businesses men, in other words people intelligence services the world over would love to have something on, if you think this is just about a pervert and his chums you are in for a big surprise, oh and I thought that's exactly what the maxwell jury found her guilty of, coercion

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Originally Posted by Hugh

You appear to be putting a positive spin on someone who was found guilty of conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illegal sex acts, conspiracy to transport minors to participate in illegal sex acts, transporting a minor to participate in illegal sex acts, sex trafficking conspiracy, and sex trafficking of a minor.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr...sexually-abuse



Grooming is coercive behaviour…

https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...exual-grooming

Well put

[nomadking]

And how much of this recently published "evidence" has anything to do with that? It's just information with a wilful spin put on it.
So any examples of proven wrongdoing in this recent set of "revelations"?

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Here's a good example of the wilfulness of the media.
Link

Professor Stephen Hawking is seen grinning from ear to ear, sandwiched between two bikini-clad women in a photo released in the Jeffrey Epstein files.The Cambridge theoretical physicist and the two women are shown holding what appear to be fruity cocktails as they bask in the sunshine.

Then.....
Link

The bikini-clad women who posed with Professor Stephen Hawking in a photograph included in the Epstein files were his long-term carers, the late scientist's family has claimed.
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They added that the photo was taken at the Ritz Carlton Hotel on the Caribbean island of St Thomas in 2006.
Hawking posed for the image after having delivered a speech on Quantum Cosmology at a science symposium, his family said.