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A High Court judge has dismissed a legal challenge to the equality watchdog's guidance on which public or workplace toilets and changing rooms transgender people should use.
Are you suggesting they are all disabled, or they should just break rules and use disabled toilets, which are not provided for them ? (the clue is in the name).
not surprised in the least about how much time and money is wasted by the courts trying to decide who can and can't use a damn toilet labeled as 'disabled'
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Are you suggesting they are all disabled, or they should just break rules and use disabled toilets, which are not provided for them ? (the clue is in the name).
I’m not sure (more than happy to be corrected), that there are any rules about their usage. I suspect that the term ‘Disabled Toilet’ refers to the fact that they have been set up specifically to cater for people with various disabilities, but that doesn’t preclude anyone else using them.
I’n fact I’ve seen quite a few which doubles as ‘Baby Changing’ as well.
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I’m not sure (more than happy to be corrected), that there are any rules about their usage.
You might as well argue there are no rules for any Toilets, have you ever seen any ?
It should be obvious to anyone that "Disabled" toilets are there for disabled people, that members here argue otherwise is of course no surprise.
You might as well argue there are no rules for any Toilets, have you ever seen any ?
It should be obvious to anyone that "Disabled" toilets are there for disabled people, that members here argue otherwise is of course no surprise.
I suspect Andrew meant toilets that are both unisex and accessible without being intended as specifically disabled-only toilets. It depends on the location. I know in London you often see unisex toilets that are also set up for disabled people. It's usually in smaller places where they only have a couple, so they just make them unisex.
The oddest one I have seen is the National Theatre, where it's a unisex set of cubicles in a shared area. Think of a normal bathroom, but the common area is shared, and all the cubicles are unisex. It's kind of annoying, as there are no urinals and people piss all over the seats.
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I think so many places have unisex disabled toilets these days that this should become a non-issue.
It will never be a non-issue, because a vast number of places don’t have space for single lockable unisex toilets, and many others don’t have the budget to convert them.
We will always have single sex toilets and it is therefore (sadly) necessary to have a clear, unambiguous legal ruling that men aren’t allowed in the ladies at all. Even if they put on a dress. Especially if that’s their kink, I’d argue.
It is beyond absurd that it is even necessary to assert the above paragraph. Truly, we live in the stupidest timeline.
I think so many places have unisex disabled toilets these days that this should become a non-issue.
That's because they tend to be effectively closed single occupancy rooms. Completely private, so no issues of other people also being in there.
Not really practical for providing to many people at the same time.
Not just about toilets. There are other single-sex spaces such as changing rooms.
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That's because they tend to be effectively closed single occupancy rooms. Completely private, so no issues of other people also being in there.
Not really practical for providing to many people at the same time.
Not just about toilets. There are other single-sex spaces such as changing rooms.
And women’s prisons and rape crisis centres, two issues of prominence in Scotland recently.
Incredibly, having had its collective arse handed to it by the supreme court, the Scottish government is *still* trying to argue it is a breach of a man’s human rights to deny him a place in a women’s prison if he says he’s a woman. MSPs noted in a debate this week that at no point in its submissions to the high court did the Scottish government mention women’s rights. Not even once.
Trans is one massive incel men’s rights movement, with trauma-affected women and neurodiverse children as collateral damage. It’s a stain on western culture which future generations will look back on in disgust.
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It will never be a non-issue, because a vast number of places don’t have space for single lockable unisex toilets, and many others don’t have the budget to convert them.
We will always have single sex toilets and it is therefore (sadly) necessary to have a clear, unambiguous legal ruling that men aren’t allowed in the ladies at all. Even if they put on a dress. Especially if that’s their kink, I’d argue.
It is beyond absurd that it is even necessary to assert the above paragraph. Truly, we live in the stupidest timeline.
So women aren't there for allowed in men's toilets even if they dress up to look like a man?As you never really mention the female to male trans people.
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So women aren't there for allowed in men's toilets even if they dress up to look like a man?As you never really mention the female to male trans people.
I rarely mention women who believe they are men because the problems caused by gender ideology are asymmetrical. Women are at risk from men, as a class, much more than men are at risk from women. This movement is being driven by men; it is overwhelmingly a mysoginist project and I tend to view trans-identifying females as victims of the movement even if they’re campaigning for it.
That said, your assessment of the law is correct. A woman who thinks she’s a man is still a woman, and the law states that where single sex spaces are provided, then sex is to be construed in its ordinary meaning as biological sex. To label toilets as ‘men’ and ‘women’ and then operate a gender-identity access policy is likely to result in indirect discrimination on the basis of the protected characteristic of sex. The Good Law project has just tried, and failed, to muddy that eloquently simple fact in court this week. It stands.
In my experience, the women of my acquaintance almost invariably recognise a man and a woman regardless of their dress or facial hair. Women need to know when they’re in potentially risky company. It’s an evolved threat response.
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