Starmer’s chronicles

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Nobody's criticising taxpayer support for deserving cases. It's the undeserving masses that are the problem.

That said, without economic growth, the deserving people become an unaffordable problem. This lies at the bottom of Ratcliffe's remarks. I've certainly not carped on "about how billionaires are right and know the problems of everyday folk". Ratcliffe simply happened to be right about some of what he said. Pity it was him - could have been anyone. Me, for example.

You were and so was he when you lumped 64% of 9.2 million claiming one or fewer benefits in together, just assuming we are all work shy scroungers and how unsustainable it is

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You were and so was he when you lumped 64% of 9.2 million claiming one or fewer benefits in together, just assuming we are all work shy scroungers and how unsustainable it is

I don't know why you're posting like you do. For a country to pay benefits, it needs money. This comes from taxation. When the country is as screwed as the UK is, and with 9.2 million claiming benefits, there isn't enough cash raised by taxation to pay those benefits without borrowing on the currency markets.

Thus the economy has to grow so that taxation receipts by the government can rise. That's not happening. So it's unsustainable.

It matters not that Ratcliffe said that, nor that he is rich. He can be a bad person and still be right.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't know why you're posting like you do. For a country to pay benefits, it needs money. This comes from taxation. When the country is as screwed as the UK is, and with 9.2 million claiming benefits, there isn't enough cash raised by taxation to pay those benefits without borrowing on the currency markets.

Thus the economy has to grow so that taxation receipts by the government can rise. That's not happening. So it's unsustainable.

It matters not that Ratcliffe said that, nor that he is rich. He can be a bad person and still be right.

Not helped by those living in Monaco…

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And....


as regular as clockwork, here comes the "Great Replacement Theory"...

Tell you what we haven't seen reported much in the Press - the fact the Net Migration was 204k in 2025, down from 944k under the Tories...

Of course you forget to mention that the reduction was largely down to new Conservative rules on visas. And that the previous figures were inflated by Ukrainians and those from Hong Kong. So nothing to with Labour.
Those that come into this country tend to bring nothing in the way of money or assets. One exception is footballers. The UK citizens that leave tend to take their money with them. They also don't expect the destination country to house them etc.


Look at the change in demographics in various UK towns and cities.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Of course you forget to mention that the reduction was largely down to new Conservative rules on visas. And that the previous figures were inflated by Ukrainians and those from Hong Kong. So nothing to with Labour.
Those that come into this country tend to bring nothing in the way of money or assets. One exception is footballers. The UK citizens that leave tend to take their money with them. They also don't expect the destination country to house them etc.


Look at the change in demographics in various UK towns and cities.

And in your eagerness to rebut, you missed the point I was making - the fact that Net Migration was down to 200k last year isn’t being reported…

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Hugh

And in your eagerness to rebut, you missed the point I was making - the fact that Net Migration was down to 200k last year isn’t being reported…

BBC, The Guardian, The Times, etc.

[Carth]

I really don't see the point of saying 'net migration' was down to 200k last year as a positive, when the damage has probably already been done by the couple of million in the previous 5 years.

And before anyone has a pop, I don't care what colour, race, or religion they are, we just don't (and probably never will) have the means to accommodate them all . . and their offspring.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

I don't know why you're posting like you do. For a country to pay benefits, it needs money. This comes from taxation. When the country is as screwed as the UK is, and with 9.2 million claiming benefits, there isn't enough cash raised by taxation to pay those benefits without borrowing on the currency markets.

Thus the economy has to grow so that taxation receipts by the government can rise. That's not happening. So it's unsustainable.

It matters not that Ratcliffe said that, nor that he is rich. He can be a bad person and still be right.

64% or close to 6 million are claiming one or fewer benefits, possibly some took their pensions at 55, some are full time unpaid carers, some are students, some are ill possibly with long covid, in other words they're not claiming benefits, that's why I'm posting like I do