Starmer’s chronicles

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr K

The public need to get real, always wanting something for nothing.

Priceless.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We need to cut the waste rather than keep putting up taxes. Robin Hood must be spinning in his grave.

Why don’t you tell that to the 8 Reform-led Councils who have said they are putting up Council Tax?

https://www.thetimes.com/article/029...c5792c2075a892

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

We need to cut the waste rather than keep putting up taxes. Robin Hood must be spinning in his grave.

Start with the unsustainable triple lock pension? The one that those funding it atm will never get themselves?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Start with the unsustainable triple lock pension? The one that those funding it atm will never get themselves?

[jem]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Nobody gets elected promising tax rises.

The public need to get real, always wanting something for nothing. The mess this country is in isn"t down to the last year, its down to the 14 years before it and daft decisions made by the electorate. Joe Public always want someone to blame, maybe they should look in the mirror...

And this is true. But suppose a party campaigned on ‘we will tax the rich a lot more to pay for xyz’? Sounds good doesn't it, surely a majority of people will vote for that?

Except, what do you mean by ‘rich’? I suspect that most people will be think of Musk or Bezos, who could certainly afford to pay more tax and not even notice it. Or what about millionaires, they can pay more? But what if they are technically millionaires because they happen to have inherited a house from great-aunt Matilda which has been in the family for 200 years and sits in 4 acres of grounds in Wimbledon! So it’s not like they happen to have a few million in notes under the bed, or even in the bank - what do you tax? DO you demand three rooms from the house be handed over?

Now this might be an apocryphal story, but I do seem to remember a story form the Kinnock era, when he said just that, ‘tax the rich’, without specifying what he meant. Eventually pushed as to what ‘the rich’ meant, it turned out that some nurses in senior positions would fall into that category. Somehow ‘tax nurses more’ didn’t do it!

Basically the manifesto needs to say, unequivocally, 'everyone is going to pay more tax, you are all going to give the state more of your money’.

Despite the logic, it tends not to go down well.

Exactly, there isn't enough millionaires and billionaires to tax to fund what people want funded. It's also harder to tax wealth than income.

If we want the state to be as big as it is with the NHS, pensions and also adult social care (which is going to become a bigger and bigger crisis), then we need to pay for it.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Nobody gets elected promising tax rises.

The public need to get real, always wanting something for nothing. The mess this country is in isn"t down to the last year, its down to the 14 years before it and daft decisions made by the electorate. Joe Public always want someone to blame, maybe they should look in the mirror...

Joe Public is constrained by the laws, taxes and regulations set by the government. When they have nowhere to turn to be able to the heat their homes or put sufficient food on the table, etc, then they'll vote according to hope & prayer.

Joe Public is the victim.

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Joe Public is constrained by the laws, taxes and regulations set by the government. When they have nowhere to turn to be able to the heat their homes or put sufficient food on the table, etc, then they'll vote according to hope & prayer.

Joe Public is the victim.

Joe Public has a vote, they make the decisions, whether it's referendums, or who runs the country. Caveat emptor.

[Carth]

Politics:

" . . . you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.

" . . . you can’t fool all of the people all of the time”.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Joe Public has a vote, they make the decisions, whether it's referendums, or who runs the country. Caveat emptor.

Caveat emptor - true. But when they have nowhere to turn (after anyone but the Tories), anything can happen - like Reform UK.

Joe Public is the victim with no way out save for a political miracle.

[papa smurf]

oops they did it again

Manhunt for foreign prisoner after mistaken release from HMP Wandsworth
The error happened just five days after the high-profile release of migrant sex offender Hadush Kebatu from HMP Chelmsford.


https://news.sky.com/story/manhunt-f...worth-13464331



David Lamy was asked 5 times at PMQS if anyone had been accidently released again,and all he did was lose his temper and obfuscate

it turns out this guy has been missing since last wednesday

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

oops they did it again

Apparently it's going to be a new series, Netflix are already on it with Sky pushing strongly for 'prime time' highlights on Saturday evenings

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

Apparently it's going to be a new series, Netflix are already on it with Sky pushing strongly for 'prime time' highlights on Saturday evenings

it would make a good comedy series if it wasn't so serious

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

it would make a good comedy series if it wasn't so serious

I think it's more of a drama, this could just be the tip of the iceberg that the Labour party are about to hit at full steam . . and they forgot to order lifeboats

It’s wrong, it shouldn’t happen, but why weren’t people outraged or why wasn’t it headline news previously?

https://news.sky.com/story/thousands...-show-12931325

Monday 31 July 2023 21:37, UK

More than 2,000 prisoners have escaped, absconded or been released by mistake over the past decade - including 142 in the past year alone, figures show.

Labour - which highlighted the statistics - has accused the Conservatives of being "soft on crime" after the party found that more than three inmates have left prison unlawfully every week since 2012.

The Ministry of Justice data for England and Wales covers the period March 2012 to March 2023.

It showed that since 2012, 146 criminals have escaped from prison, 1,634 have absconded - meaning an escape that does not involve overcoming a physical security restraint such as a wall or fence - and 672 were released in error: a total of 2,452.