Reform UK's chronicles

[Pierre]

I think in certain areas and groups the family is strong. I can only speak from experience with my circle of friends and there are two parent (living together) families. (Not all married) all have 2-3 kids (mainly 2) and are all stable. (Which was not my experience growing up)

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...vers-hjstsd6qm

Bring back three-wheeled cars for disabled drivers, Reform urges

Reform has called for the return of 1960s three-wheeled free cars for disabled people, as it launched plans to save billions of pounds by restricting benefits for mental health claimants.

Lee Anderson, Reform’s chief whip, suggested the return of the “Invacar” — or invalid carriage — a small single-seater microcar that was distributed by the NHS for decades after the Second World War.

Anderson told a press conference hosted by the party: “I remember back in the day if you were on disability and you wanted a car from the state, it was a blue three-wheeler, anybody remember those? What’s wrong with that? Let’s go back to that.”

The cars were banned from British roads in 2003 for being too dangerous, after reports of them overturning and catching fire, and ministers ordered that all remaining cars be crushed.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...vers-hjstsd6qm

i was talking to my friend about those yesterday we had a couple of them in the town and those 3 wheeled bike thingies that you peddled with your hands, apparently 25% of all new cars are Motability vehicles, my next-door neighbour has an electric wheel chair and a disabled parking spot but doesn't drive

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics...vers-hjstsd6qm

I don't agree with that, but neither should you be swanning around in a brand new BMW on the tax payers dollar.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Pierre

I think OB is going down the wrong rabbit hole which is diluting the current point being discussed.

Positive discrimination, which is an oxymoron anyway, or DEI hires or anything like that is not the issue being discussed.

Over representation of minority groups , which then distorts the actual make up of the U.K. which then irritates the majority group, is what was being discussed, and in context the only question was….. if it is racist to make that observation, to which the answer is……absolutely not.

Absolutely, but that stems from positive discrimination in selecting actors, does it not?

Pochin was right to call it out.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Absolutely, but that stems from positive discrimination in selecting actors, does it not?

Pochin was right to call it out.

Please explain how it is positive discrimination to hire actors which enables the product they are advertising to sell more and increase customer retention?

Are you staying that because they are Asian or Black they can’t act as well as White actors?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

Absolutely, but that stems from positive discrimination in selecting actors, does it not?

Pochin was right to call it out.

No, your conflating the two issues.

The advertisers wanted black actors specifically because of the immutable characteristic of their skin colour, nothing to do with any skills.

It's like cats complaining they weren't considered in the lead role of Lassie.

Positive discrimination works like, you want 50% parity between black engineers and white engineers.

Through a recruitment process, you end up with two candidates that are equal in capability in every way. You then give a casting weight to their skin colour. Black guy gets it.

Although I can guarantee you one thing, it would never happen the other way.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Please explain how it is positive discrimination to hire actors which enables the product they are advertising to sell more and increase customer retention?

Are you staying that because they are Asian or Black they can’t act as well as White actors?

No, of course not. But the black and other minority actors are not consistently better, are they?

Employers must prove that any positive discrimination they have carried out was ‘proportionate, appropriate and necessary’. It’s a high bar to cross.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

No, of course not. But the black and other minority actors are not consistently better, are they?

Employers must prove that any positive discrimination they have carried out was ‘proportionate, appropriate and necessary’. It’s a high bar to cross.

Once again, where is your evidence there is any positive discrimination?

You seem to be saying that because they hired actors from minorities, it must be positive discrimination…

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Once again, where is your evidence there is any positive discrimination?

You seem to be saying that because they hired actors from minorities, it must be positive discrimination…

Realm of the bleedin' obvious, Squire.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Once again, where is your evidence there is any positive discrimination?

You seem to be saying that because they hired actors from minorities, it must be positive discrimination…

It’s the number of minorities that is the giveaway.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

It’s the number of minorities that is the giveaway.

I get quite mad about the number of meerkats, opera singers, drumming gorillas, knitted monkeys, and good looking people in adverts, but you don’t seem to object to them taking jobs away from white actors…

[Carth]

As mad as this chap?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

True, but the advertisers are adhering to this ridiculous edict that they should select actors on that basis rather than on the basis of talent. It's positive discrimination, which is illegal, but nobody in authority seems to care.

Advertising firms are in it to make money. If an advert includes people in it who consumers in more countries can identify with, they can use that advertising globally and save money on hiring actors for each region the product is sold in. Is this another reason for adverts with a range of ethnicities in them?

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Advertising firms are in it to make money. If an advert includes people in it who consumers in more countries can identify with, they can use that advertising globally and save money on hiring actors for each region the product is sold in. Is this another reason for adverts with a range of ethnicities in them?

Which also probably explains why many car adverts show left
hand drive models - why bother with two adverts when one will do